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I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things

joelr

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One of the biggest mistakes people make is thinking God is a Lord. All Lords are men. A Lord in the OT is a man that wants to rule with the power of a God that can kill anyone he wants to die for opposing him. God is a deity, Lord God is a King that wants to rule like a Pharoah telling his people he is a God and like a Pharoah he hands his Lord God crown down to his bloodline sons and what they want they have scribes write Lord God wants because he is a jealous King God that demands war and destruction to gain power and wealth.

In the New Testament Jesus accepted the title Lord as a teacher only. Lord is a title of respect given to kings, princes, military commanders, landowners, slave owners and even husbands. Jesus denied he is God, denied he is a son of man because he is the son of God. Jesus refused to be a king rejecting the title even when people called him one, refused to fight/kill people to gain power, owned no land, taught against slavery and wanted no one to worship him even though some people did anyway.


Where does he teach against slavery?
 

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Holy smoke...another "it's true because it says so???" Really?
Revelations is considered a myth even by the majority of Christians?

while preterist interpretations treat Revelation as mostly referring to the events of the Apostolic Age (1st century), or, at the latest, the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century. and idealist or symbolic interpretations consider that Revelation does not refer to actual people or events but is an allegory of the spiritual path and the ongoing struggle between good and evil.
Book of Revelation - Wikipedia

Scholars understand it's Persian in origin:
-Whitlock wrote: "Zoroastrianism, the state religion of the Roman Empire's main rival, was part of the intellectual environment in which Christianity came into being, just as were Judaism, the Greek-Roman religion, and the worship of Isis and Mithras. A Zoroastrian influence is completely plausible"

-Arising initially in Zoroastrianism, apocalypticism was developed more fully in Judaic, Christian, and Islamic eschatological speculation.[1

and from Mary Boyce here is the Persian myth, dated to 1600BC. The Hebrews encountered this during the occupation and incorporated many of their idea into Judaism.

Revelations


but Zoroaster taught that the blessed must wait for this culmination till Frashegird and the 'future body' (Pahlavi 'tan i pasen'), when the earth will give up the bones of the dead (Y 30.7). This general resurrection will be followed by the Last Judgment, which will divide all the righteous from the wicked, both those who have lived until that time and those who have been judged already. Then Airyaman, Yazata of friendship and healing, together with Atar, Fire, will melt all the metal in the mountains, and this will flow in a glowing river over the earth. All mankind must pass through this river, and, as it is said in a Pahlavi text, 'for him who is righteous it will seem like warm milk, and for him who is wicked, it will seem as if he is walking in the • flesh through molten metal' (GBd XXXIV. r 8-r 9). In this great apocalyptic vision Zoroaster perhaps fused, unconsciously, tales of volcanic eruptions and streams of burning lava with his own experience of Iranian ordeals by molten metal; and according to his stern original teaching, strict justice will prevail then, as at each individual j udgment on earth by a fiery ordeal. So at this last ordeal of all the wicked will suffer a second death, and will perish off the face of the earth. The Daevas and legions of darkness will already have been annihilated in a last great battle with the Yazatas; and the river of metal will flow down into hell, slaying Angra Mainyu and burning up the last vestige of wickedness in the universe.

Ahura Mazda and the six Amesha Spentas will then solemnize a lt, spiritual yasna, offering up the last sacrifice (after which death wW be no more), and making a preparation of the mystical 'white haoma', which will confer immortality on the resurrected bodies of all the blessed, who will partake of it. Thereafter men will beome like the Immortals themselves, of one thought, word and deed, unaging, free from sickness, without corruption, forever joyful in the kingdom of God upon earth. For it is in this familiar and beloved world, restored to its original perfection, that, according to Zoroaster, eternity will be passed in bliss, and not in a remote insubstantial Paradise. So the time of Separation is a renewal of the time of Creation, except that no return is prophesied to the original uniqueness of living things. Mountain and valley will give place once more to level plain; but whereas in the beginning there was one plant, one animal, one man, the rich variety and number that have since issued from these will remain forever. Similarly the many divinities who were brought into being by Ahura Mazda will continue to have their separate existences. There is no prophecy of their re-absorption into the Godhead. As a Pahlavi text puts it, after Frashegird 'Ohrmaid and the Amahraspands and all Yazads and men will be together. .. ; every place will resemble a garden in spring, in which

there are all kinds of trees and flowers ... and it will be entirely the creation of Ohrrnazd' (Pahl.Riv.Dd. XLVIII, 99, lOO, l07).

so no, it's just a rip-off from another culture. It isn't a real thing. It's called mythology.
I have seen the similarities in the religions also but realized an important element. Stories accepted in the past were used as a base to explain by symbolism, of what will happen in the future.
The symbolism and personifications in the Bible are all about the final war on Earth. Babylon in the past was a city ruled by an all powerful king. The Babylon of the future is the Nuclear power industry . It is a city because it connects industry and homes with electricity. It makes merchants rich with cheap electricity. The nuclear power plant is always built by water, has to be to cool the rods. The power plant sits like a queen proclaiming to be safe for the public she serves because she is well cared for but she is a war target and will burn with fire when attacked. Her harlot daughter that all the kings/rulers of the world desire made from waste is a nuclear missile made from nuclear waste. The power plant offers the ability for advances in the medical industry with Xrays etc. so she is desired by the people as doing good.
A nation is called a mountain in the Bible and it is protected by the foothills that must be crossed over to reach those that are at the top of the mountain, the government. Those nuclear missiles sit on 7 hills, a hill in scripture represents a nations military and 7 nuclear armed nations will fight in WW3. Those that use nukes will have nukes used on them. It is probable that Iran will attain nukes and be the first to use them on Israel that starts the Mid East part of WW3. The first nuclear missile launched that starts WW3 is called Lucifer.
The Bible describes a sea of burning glass as a result and that is what happens to a desert city that is totally destroyed. The heat of the nuclear blast so intense that it melts the sand into glass that fills the crater where the city once stood, making it look like a sea of glass with flames flickering on the surface. Those humans disappeared in an instant from the thermonuclear blast.
Isaiah 29:5
Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly."
The Bible describes when bone fragments are found a marker/flag is placed by it. It is not picked up by the populace for burial. Hazmat will dispose of bones because of the high levels of radiation. Dead people from radiation will lie unburied in the streets because people must quickly evacuate cities covered with high levels of radiation unable to pick up their dead without dying themselves. Scripture states pregnant women will especially mourn and that is because if they have been in a fallout area, their child will be born with severe birth defects.
 

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Where does he teach against slavery?
Jesus said love one another as family and those that are exalted are to serve others. Does a slave master want to be told what to do by the slave? Of course not, the slave owner does not want equality with the slave, he wants inequality with people to do what he wants done if the slave wants to do it or not by threat of being killed by the slave owner if he is not obeyed. A slave owner wants freedom for himself but not for his slaves.
Service to each other to form a good and caring society with total equality is what Jesus taught.

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."
No slave owner loves a slave as much as they love being a slave owner as they have no love for the God given right to not be another person's slave. The slave owner does not want to BE a slave, so has no desire for the equality among people with love that Jesus taught.
Jesus never owned a slave nor did he have any desire to do so even though Jewish households owned slaves they called servants ( that were not allowed to be free) just like the Romans did.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
I have seen the similarities in the religions also but realized an important element. Stories accepted in the past were used as a base to explain by symbolism, of what will happen in the future.
The symbolism and personifications in the Bible are all about the final war on Earth. Babylon in the past was a city ruled by an all powerful king. The Babylon of the future is the Nuclear power industry . It is a city because it connects industry and homes with electricity. It makes merchants rich with cheap electricity. The nuclear power plant is always built by water, has to be to cool the rods. The power plant sits like a queen proclaiming to be safe for the public she serves because she is well cared for but she is a war target and will burn with fire when attacked. Her harlot daughter that all the kings/rulers of the world desire made from waste is a nuclear missile made from nuclear waste. The power plant offers the ability for advances in the medical industry with Xrays etc. so she is desired by the people as doing good.
A nation is called a mountain in the Bible and it is protected by the foothills that must be crossed over to reach those that are at the top of the mountain, the government. Those nuclear missiles sit on 7 hills, a hill in scripture represents a nations military and 7 nuclear armed nations will fight in WW3. Those that use nukes will have nukes used on them. It is probable that Iran will attain nukes and be the first to use them on Israel that starts the Mid East part of WW3. The first nuclear missile launched that starts WW3 is called Lucifer.
The Bible describes a sea of burning glass as a result and that is what happens to a desert city that is totally destroyed. The heat of the nuclear blast so intense that it melts the sand into glass that fills the crater where the city once stood, making it look like a sea of glass with flames flickering on the surface. Those humans disappeared in an instant from the thermonuclear blast.
Isaiah 29:5
Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly."
The Bible describes when bone fragments are found a marker/flag is placed by it. It is not picked up by the populace for burial. Hazmat will dispose of bones because of the high levels of radiation. Dead people from radiation will lie unburied in the streets because people must quickly evacuate cities covered with high levels of radiation unable to pick up their dead without dying themselves. Scripture states pregnant women will especially mourn and that is because if they have been in a fallout area, their child will be born with severe birth defects.

Or Israel just copied and riffed on a Persian myth. Because that's what religions do. There are hundreds of statements in scripture said by God hat never came to pass and it's never made an actual prediction that happened. It was said in many ways that all nations will bow to Israel and Yahweh. That didn't happen.
 

joelr

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Jesus said love one another as family and those that are exalted are to serve others. Does a slave master want to be told what to do by the slave? Of course not, the slave owner does not want equality with the slave, he wants inequality with people to do what he wants done if the slave wants to do it or not by threat of being killed by the slave owner if he is not obeyed. A slave owner wants freedom for himself but not for his slaves.
Service to each other to form a good and caring society with total equality is what Jesus taught.

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him."
No slave owner loves a slave as much as they love being a slave owner as they have no love for the God given right to not be another person's slave. The slave owner does not want to BE a slave, so has no desire for the equality among people with love that Jesus taught.
Jesus never owned a slave nor did he have any desire to do so even though Jewish households owned slaves they called servants ( that were not allowed to be free) just like the Romans did.
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

So he doesn't teach against slavery. He never says don't own people. He does say he's not here to change the law. The law allows for non-Hebrew slaves to be property for life and their children. It says to be not harsh to fellow Israelite slaves. Doesn't say that for other slaves.
Paul says for slaves to obey their masters.
Jesus may say to love one another. That doesn't cancel slavery. He also says to become enemies with even family members who are disbelievers. And he will shun them to the Lord. He condemns entire cities for not accepting his preaching and compares them to Sodom. He isn't all about love, you cannot cherry-pick and attempt to make a false narrative.
 

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So he doesn't teach against slavery. He never says don't own people. He does say he's not here to change the law. The law allows for non-Hebrew slaves to be property for life and their children. It says to be not harsh to fellow Israelite slaves. Doesn't say that for other slaves.
Paul says for slaves to obey their masters.
Jesus may say to love one another. That doesn't cancel slavery. He also says to become enemies with even family members who are disbelievers. And he will shun them to the Lord. He condemns entire cities for not accepting his preaching and compares them to Sodom. He isn't all about love, you cannot cherry-pick and attempt to make a false narrative.
Jesus is not there to change the laws of GOD, the Jews serve man made Mosaic Laws that are not from God but they say they are from God. Jesus refuses to obey them as Jews try to stone him to death for disobedience of their laws. Jesus wants people to know righteous laws are necessary to be obeyed but unrighteous laws are to be changed or removed. He used adultery as an example on this topic. It is wrong to commit adultery and that is a law/commandment from God but even that is a forgivable sin. It is not a sin that requires a death penalty but the Jews were stoning people to death for doing it. Jesus did come to change the laws of the Jews and the temple was losing members because they saw the truth that Jesus taught.
Paul is not a disciple of Jesus. Paul is a lying Pharisee that never changed his Jewish beliefs and lied saying Jesus agreed with things that Jesus did not agree with at all.
Paul says Jesus serves Abraham and is a son of Abraham and Jesus said Abraham is a liar. Jesus does not serve liars but Paul enjoys getting people to believe Paul's lies about God by calling it "Glorifying God" and people are not "burdened" by Paul's lies because he has tricked them into believing he tells the truth. Jesus never selected an unrepentant liar to teach truth. Only 12 Apostles are allowed and Paul is not one of them. The road to Damascus is out in the desert between cities and Jesus said if anyone claims they find Jesus in the desert to not believe them or follow them.
Jesus said he will never be found in a "secret chamber". After thinking about it, I realized a secret chamber is the room in the temple only a High Priest is allowed to enter where blood sacrifices are offered. Paul is lying when he said Jesus served as a High Priest walking in the footsteps of another high priest offering sacrifices to Abraham returning from killing kings. Paul said Jesus was in that temple sacrifice room making sacrifices and Jesus said he was not in that room. Jesus never made an animal sacrifice and did not allow his disciples to make them. Jesus whipped temple priests for demanding animal sacrifices and drove both the animals and the priests out of the temple. Jesus commanded for all nations to become water baptized to remove their sins thus forsake belief in human and animal sacrifices to a God. The living GOD does not AND NEVER DID ACCEPT BLOOD SACRIFICES. The Jews that believed in it were lost sheep following heathen traditions as truth.
The only time Jesus made a "sin" offering in the temple Jesus did it as an example of what God does accept. Jesus sent a man he had just healed of leprosy to the temple to show the temple priests that were demanding people be killed for their offenses that GOD only accepts those that heal people, are kind to people, that help people in need instead of those that kill people or demand to be paid money for them not to be killed.
Jews judged people not worthy of life and Jesus taught the right to life .To guide unrighteous people to learn true religion was a goal of Jesus and that is why he was sent to the Jews that claimed they served God but in reality did not. In the old testament the Jews stoned a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath calling it work.
Jesus called the temple priests vipers and hypocrites because they would work on the sabbath if it would financially benefit them yet kill other people for doing any labor.
 

joelr

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Jesus is not there to change the laws of GOD, the Jews serve man made Mosaic Laws that are not from God but they say they are from God.


Mosaic laws were given to Moses from Yahweh. That is the belief. If you have a new form of Christianity that you made up I'm not interested.


Jesus refuses to obey them as Jews try to stone him to death for disobedience of their laws. Jesus wants people to know righteous laws are necessary to be obeyed but unrighteous laws are to be changed or removed. He used adultery as an example on this topic. It is wrong to commit adultery and that is a law/commandment from God but even that is a forgivable sin. It is not a sin that requires a death penalty but the Jews were stoning people to death for doing it. Jesus did come to change the laws of the Jews and the temple was losing members because they saw the truth that Jesus taught.
Paul is not a disciple of Jesus. Paul is a lying Pharisee that never changed his Jewish beliefs and lied saying Jesus agreed with things that Jesus did not agree with at all.


Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

— Matthew 5:17–19
The Gospel of John (John 1:16–17) states:

For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

You are making up your own religion.

Paul says Jesus serves Abraham and is a son of Abraham and Jesus said Abraham is a liar. Jesus does not serve liars but Paul enjoys getting people to believe Paul's lies about God by calling it "Glorifying God" and people are not "burdened" by Paul's lies because he has tricked them into believing he tells the truth. Jesus never selected an unrepentant liar to teach truth. Only 12 Apostles are allowed and Paul is not one of them. The road to Damascus is out in the desert between cities and Jesus said if anyone claims they find Jesus in the desert to not believe them or follow them.
Jesus said he will never be found in a "secret chamber". After thinking about it, I realized a secret chamber is the room in the temple only a High Priest is allowed to enter where blood sacrifices are offered. Paul is lying when he said Jesus served as a High Priest walking in the footsteps of another high priest offering sacrifices to Abraham returning from killing kings. Paul said Jesus was in that temple sacrifice room making sacrifices and Jesus said he was not in that room. Jesus never made an animal sacrifice and did not allow his disciples to make them. Jesus whipped temple priests for demanding animal sacrifices and drove both the animals and the priests out of the temple. Jesus commanded for all nations to become water baptized to remove their sins thus forsake belief in human and animal sacrifices to a God. The living GOD does not AND NEVER DID ACCEPT BLOOD SACRIFICES. The Jews that believed in it were lost sheep following heathen traditions as truth.
The only time Jesus made a "sin" offering in the temple Jesus did it as an example of what God does accept. Jesus sent a man he had just healed of leprosy to the temple to show the temple priests that were demanding people be killed for their offenses that GOD only accepts those that heal people, are kind to people, that help people in need instead of those that kill people or demand to be paid money for them not to be killed.
Jews judged people not worthy of life and Jesus taught the right to life .To guide unrighteous people to learn true religion was a goal of Jesus and that is why he was sent to the Jews that claimed they served God but in reality did not. In the old testament the Jews stoned a man to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath calling it work.
Jesus called the temple priests vipers and hypocrites because they would work on the sabbath if it would financially benefit them yet kill other people for doing any labor.

The OT supports animal sacrifice. But the biggest problem with all this is Jesus is a magic blood atonement sacrifice? It's in Paul and also Peter.
If you are going to take the leap that Paul is lying why can't you just go the whole way and see the whole thing is just a story based on popular religious mythology? The Gospels are the least reliable documents? anonymous, not eye witness, dramatically different re-tellings?
 
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