As for additions, older versions of Matthew 28 were without 28:19. And John 8:5-7 didn't exist in the original Aramaic bible, the Pe****ta. Bible, the bible written in the language Yeshua spoke. Yeshua gave a spiritual meaning to the bread of life being eaten/consumed, without the leaven of the Pharisee, whereas the message of the Roman Catholic church is that one must become a cannibal and eat human flesh to "live". As for the elephant in the room, Yeshua's message of the "kingdom of heaven", and the false prophet Paul's message, the message of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:25 & 39), which was the gospel of Grace/cross, is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. You complain about Protestants denigrating Catholics, yet it seems that you denigrate the JWs, not that they don't deserve their fair share of rebuttal, but their minuscule sect has done little damage compared to the damage done by the Roman church, and as far as sexual misbehavior between young boys and priest, I suspect it still goes on, or in the case of the Vatican, the young boys are probably now young and older men. No the fruits of your church are a bit off putting. Do you want to accept the sins of your church on your head, as is depicted in what will happen to those who kill the righteous (Matthew 23:35), in as much as the pope confessed to killing Joan of Arc, yet the judgment for that crime has not been dealt out. Joan was one of many.
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I can NEVER be a Jehovah's Witness! Here is why! I attend a JW Zoom meeting tomorrow though!
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As for additions, older versions of Matthew 28 were without 28:19. And John 8:5-7 didn't exist in the original Aramaic bible, the Pe****ta. Bible, the bible written in the language Yeshua spoke. Yeshua gave a spiritual meaning to the bread of life being eaten/consumed, without the leaven of the Pharisee, whereas the message of the Roman Catholic church is that one must become a cannibal and eat human flesh to "live". As for the elephant in the room, Yeshua's message of the "kingdom of heaven", and the false prophet Paul's message, the message of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:25 & 39), which was the gospel of Grace/cross, is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. You complain about Protestants denigrating Catholics, yet it seems that you denigrate the JWs, not that they don't deserve their fair share of rebuttal, but their minuscule sect has done little damage compared to the damage done by the Roman church, and as far as sexual misbehavior between young boys and priest, I suspect it still goes on, or in the case of the Vatican, the young boys are probably now young and older men. No the fruits of your church are a bit off putting. Do you want to accept the sins of your church on your head, as is depicted in what will happen to those who kill the righteous (Matthew 23:35), in as much as the pope confessed to killing Joan of Arc, yet the judgment for that crime has not been dealt out. Joan was one of many.
Dogknox20
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cataway "Listen to the Church"!
cataway "The CHURCH is the Pillar and the foundation of truth"!
"I will build MY Church on ROCK"!
cataway This means the Only CHURCH Jesus established cannot fail! It means your Church/Congregation is a lie!
Your Church/Congregation was started by the man.. Charles Taze Russell in 1872. Long after Jesus established his Church on ROCK!
cataway For you to believe the Church Jesus established failed is to say "Jesus is a fool"!
cataway 1) Question: Is the Church Jesus established built on ROCK or did Jesus build on Sand did his Church fail?!
Matthew 7:26
But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
2) Question did Jesus lie?!
cataway Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Congregation to the end of the world!
Matthew 28:20
teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.
cataway Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to Guide his Church into all TRUTH to be FOREVER with his One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church!
John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
Your Church/Congregation was started by the man.. by Charles Taze Russell in 1872.
cataway Two Questions... Please answer.
cataway
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did not Bree already give answer ?
fact is Jesus is the rock
and was the one called in ancient prophecy a stone that the builders would reject.
Psalm 118:22 The stone that the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.
Jesus revealed that Jehovah would establish a congregation on the very stone, or rock-mass, that Peter had identified. then Jesus bestowed on Peter some very important privileges in that congregation.(or church if you dont know its the same thing) he did not give Peter authority over the other apostles, but he gave him responsibilities. It would be Peter’s job to open the hope of entering God’s Kingdom to three different fields of mankind, first he was witness to the Jews, then to the Samaritans, and finally to the gentiles.
Spiderman
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Why do you call it my Church? Who said I was Catholic?
Jesus founded a Church, and there was scandal in the Church among his 12 Apostles, even when he was with the Church.
That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit doesn't guide the Dogmas of the Church, or the Catechism, just because there is scandal.
Some of the most holy sacred greatest miracle working prophets, seers, visionaries, monks, nuns, friars, stigmatics, healers, and charitable missionaries, were Catholic as well.
And only about 2% of priests are pedophiles. That is too much, but it is higher among Protestant pastors and school teachers.
cataway
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here's the problem you have assumed that holy spirit is concerned about what happens in a false religion . a false religion is any thing outside of God's standers .the most high God is not so desperate that he will accept any type of worship
Dogknox20
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I reply..
So the Church Jesus built on ROCK will never fail! Jesus did NOT build on sand!
Your church came along 1800 years after the ONLY CHURCH Jesus established on ROCK... This means your church is a lie, your church is NOT built on rock it was started by a man!
Prophesy...
Luke 1:48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.
cataway Christians have ALWAYS honored Mary as blessed! This prophesy cannot apply to your generations because they were not around for 1800 years!
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Christians have ALWAYS believed Jesus is God; Christians have always taught ONE God! You and your church believe in Many gods your church is NOT Christian!
Your church added the letter "A" to John 1 making it to read "Many god" your belief is not Christian!
cataway Jesus was crucified not staked!
Lucian was an ancient Greek satirist, rhetorician and pamphleteer 125 A.D. writes, “The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account” (The Passing of Peregrinus). He adds that Jesus was crucified in Palestine, a further corroboration of the Gospels.
cataway Christians have ALWAYS used the "Cross" as a Christian sign!
“In all our travels and movements, in all our coming in and going out, in putting off our shoes, at the bath, at the table . . . whatever employment occupies us, we mark our foreheads with the sign of the cross.” — Tertullian
Your church rejects the "Cross" Satan also rejects the Cross!
Satan rejects Christians he is Anti-Christian!
Dogknox20
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cataway Jesus is God he cannot lie!
Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church that he built on ROCK to the very end of time!
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the Church that he built on ROCK to guide it into ALL TRUTH!
The Holy Spirit will remain FOREVER with the ONLY Church Jesus built on ROCK 2000 years ago... This means; the Holy Spirit is still to this day; Guiding the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Always will be guiding! Jesus cannot lie!
The Holy Spirit arrived 2000 years ago on Pentecost! This means the Holy Spirit cannot be guiding your church! The Jehovah's Witnesses were begun by a MAN Charles Taze Russell in 1872.
cataway
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yes ,that is right it took 1800 years . God likely said finely! a people that is ready and willing to do the things he would like done, to live in away he directed .
you have to know there are many different denotations ,why but because people want to do things the way they please .same thing happened to Iseral time after time .
God gave Moses a set of laws to fallow . when they did adhere they were blessed . when they did not ,bad things happened.
I don't know, just taking the pope's word that their are only 2% of the priest being pedophiles, is a bit of hopeful thinking. Australia did an independent study whereas 7% of the priest were accused pedophiles. As for Protestants, I think they are more into adultery, but apparently they do have very high rates of deviancy. As for your seeming to think that the church is built on Peter as the rock, well, that kind of leads to a Catholic position, whereas the Protestant position is one that believing "Jesus is the son of God" is the rock the church is built on. A position the demons also hold, but yet they tremble none the less (James 2:19). As for the "dogmas of the church" that is described in Revelation 17:5, as "the abominations of the earth". As for your early church "scandals", they were the fulfillment of the "Scriptures" which were set in place by Yeshua, to "fulfill the Law and the prophets" (Matthew 5:17). What Percentage of Catholic Priests Have Been Abusive? | Gene Veith (patheos.com)
Dogknox20
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cataway Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to his Church on Pentecost 2000 years ago... It was NOT sent to the JW church!
Christians are "Christ Followers"! Christians have ALWAYS worshiped Jesus because Jesus is God!
Jesus did NOT wait for Charles Taze Russell to be born in1872 to start building his Church!
cataway Take your head out of the sand! Christians REJECT the Jehovah Witness because they reject Christian belief; just as Christians rejected the man Arius for the same reasons!
Worship is ONLY for God.. Christians have ALWAYS worshiped Jesus! Christians are Blessed because they believe the very same as the Apostle Thomas.. Our Lord and God!
The JW believes in "Many God'"! The LDS also believe in "Many God'"! Both reject what Christians have always believed "One God"!.. Jesus built his Church on ROCK and he is ALWAYS WITH HIS CHURCH .. To the very end of time!
With regard to the "falling away", according to Yeshua in Matthew 24:10, the "many", those who follow the false prophets (Matthew 7:13-23) are already on the way to "destruction", and according to Yeshua, the "falling away" (Matthew 26:31-35), started with Peter as prophesized in Zechariah 13:7. The "church" may remain, hidden from the "dragon" (Revelation 12:16), but it won't be represented by the Roman church, which sits on the beast, represented by Rome at this time (Revelation 17:3)..
cataway
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"Many God'' i had no ides .what are there names ? are you saying you cant even come up with one name ?? not even one ? fact is you are telling a story . JW's have but one God the almighty God Jehovah
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Dogknox20
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The NWT bible... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
cataway "a god" is plural.. More then one!
Christians have always believed in "One God" singular!
Christians have always believed; Jesus is God!
Christians are Blessed... "My Lord and God"!
The LDS also believe in many god'.. Each person if they die with their undergarments on, will be IN charge of their own planet like Jesus is here!
They also reject the Cross as their symbol!
They (LDS) also say; Jesus failed to establish a church.. J Smith said.. There was NO Christian churches he is commissioned by Jesus to make one!
They also did (just as yours); reject what Christians have always believed...
They have their own bible just as yours does!
Satan rejects what Christians believe, he also rejects the Cross, he also rejects the ONLY Church Jesus established!
Satan is Anti-Christian... Just like your church!
Gezellig
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It sounds weird.
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Dogknox20
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You asked... a god is plural..?? news to me , what of trinity ?? how plural is that ?
(I was out of town.. Just got back..).
I reply.. "A God" is plural! "God" or "The God" is singular!
Historical FACT...Your watch Tower ADDED the letter "A" to John 1! Jesus is "a god" small letter g! NOTE the RED...below
cataway Christians believe in ONE God and only ONE just as the Jews; the Christian God is the God of the Old Testament!
It has always been!...
Not one of the over 60 interpretations of John 1 has the letter "a" in front of God.. All have a large G!
KJ21
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ASV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
AMP
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
AMPC
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
BRG
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CSB
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEB
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
CJB
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CEV
In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.
DARBY
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DLNT
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
DRA
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
ERV
Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
EHV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
etc
etc
You ask.. what of trinity ?? how plural is that ?
I reply.. Christians have always believed and taught: Three persons = the ONE GOD!
All are ONE.. because God is PERFECT! A perfect God does everything perfectly only God is without sin Jesus was without sin he was PERFECT!
Only God cannot die... Jesus died but rose because Jesus is PERFECT he is God!
Scriptures tell you all throughout "Jesus is God!" John 1:1 (above) tells you so!
Thomas the CHRISTIAN tells you so!
John 1: 14 tells you so
John 1:18 tells you so!
etc
etc
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
More historical FACT...The Watch Tower changed the scriptures to read differently... The NWT has had over 600 changes and still they need to make more to completely sterilize Jesus from the truth! You have to twist the scriptures so God' word reads how you want God to speak! You are forced to reject Christian belief to follow the Anti-Christ!
The Watch Tower condoned Child Sacrifice in God' name (denied blood) the Anti-Christ must have laughed to see his lies work on you!
cataway
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now you is using double talk.
what happened to the trinity when God divided him self so part of himself could be in heaven and a part of himself could be on earth?