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[dwdw2400]

Hello all, I am new here and would like to know more. My knowledge of Christianity is limited and like to know if the information in "islamtomorrow" website about Bible is valid or not, also another site called "sultan org"

Can I only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text?

I think both Judaism and Christianity are not now the Original Religion taught by their prophets. But at the same time, there are many beliefs and traits of the Original Religion of God still existing in those two religions; however, even if the title "son of God" was used by Jesus himself

 

[Revoltingest]

Welcome aboard!

 

[dwdw2400]

Thank you.

I have seen lot of mixed information from different sources and one of them is Quran which looks logical to me because I discovered that Muslims and Christians agree that God is self-existent. This means that He does not derive his existence from anyone. Also they believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she believes in Jesus, on whom be peace.
The Quran teach that Jesus is prophet or messenger from Allah and not a God so Quran denies the divinity of Jesus. The Qur'an says that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave, and that he raised the dead by God's leave.
Quran [3/79]
It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the Prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (he would say): "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: for ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."

I also found a lot of information contradicts to what we have been told like:

None of the Bible’s Writers Believed That Jesus is God
The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus
The Truth About Prophet Jesus
The Real Story Of Mary
Is Jesus the same as God ?
The True Message of Jesus Christ
True Christianity
What Did Jesus Really Say?
The God That Never Was
Prophet Jesus (PBUH) Never Claimed Divinity
Who invented the Trinity?
What all Christians and Jews MUST know about the Bible
Examining The Bible
Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?

Source of information:
sultan.org
jamaat.net/bible
etc

This is something new and strange

 

[Breathe]

I would suggest if you wish to learn about Christianity and Judaism, to do so from Christian and Jewish website as opposed to Islamic ones and you should avoid ones like "Islamtomorrow" in the same way one who wants to learn about Islam should learn through Islamic websites and not Faithfreedom and so on.

Still though, welcome to RF.

 

[dwdw2400]

The important thing how logical is the information, I found it more logical from the links I have mentioned

 

[Kerr]

The important thing how logical is the information, I found it more logical from the links I have mentioned

Logic is not everything. Even the most logical line of reasoning can be wrong. One example was how for a long time the Earth was considered to be the centre of the universe. After all, it was logical. But it wasn´t true. I strongly advice you to read about Christianity from Christians, Judaism from jews, just as I would advice someone else to read about Islam from Muslims. In order to reach a true understanding of another religion you have to put yourself in its shoes, and that is not always easy.

 

[dwdw2400]

Actually the information indicates that Islam is truly a religion from God . It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. before concluding that Islam is true. These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. They include scientists, professors, philosophers, journalists, doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, lawmakers, chefs, laborers, and every other sort of person imaginable.

 

[Kerr]

Actually the information indicates that Islam is truly a religion from God . It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. before concluding that Islam is true. These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. They include scientists, professors, philosophers, journalists, doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, lawmakers, chefs, laborers, and every other sort of person imaginable.

In order to understand other religions you must quit thinking of them as "false".

 

[joea]

The important thing how logical is the information, I found it more logical from the links I have mentioned

Logical does not mean you have found it...check up on irrational thinking and see what you can find..

 

[dwdw2400]

If logical doesn’t mean then how can books convince followers, say something better

 

[Breathe]

Actually the information indicates that Islam is truly a religion from God .

How, exactly, does that work?

It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. before concluding that Islam is true.

Actually, it is unreasonable to think that an informal fallacy like this means that Islam is true. Just because Islam is newer, or is growing faster than another religion, doesn't mean Islam is true. I converted to Hinduism after much deliberation, and many on RF have converted to Hinduism and Buddhism. That must mean that Hinduism and Buddhism are truly religions from God too.

These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. They include scientists, professors, philosophers, journalists, doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, lawmakers, chefs, laborers, and every other sort of person imaginable.

The same can be said of any and all religions. This proves nothing.

 

[joea]

If logical doesn’t mean then how can books convince followers, say something better

Try not to imitate what you read in books, or you're become a parrot repeating others..

 

[waitasec]

The important thing how logical is the information, I found it more logical from the links I have mentioned

perhaps you find it more "logical" because it confirmers your biases

if you truly want to learn about something you don't know, you need to be objective....

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

It might interest you to know that religions such as the Baha'i Faith recognize Judaism AND Christianity AND Islam (not to mention others) as all being legitimate and of God!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[dwdw2400]

I really don’t like misunderstanding of my intentions, It is not an assault on Christianity or any other religion.in the same time I don't outbid on Islam. Islam a brilliant religion by itself, it doesn’t need like other religions any preaching or missionary work or me.

I think we dont know Islam very well because Islam is frequently misunderstood and may even seem exotic in some parts of today's world. Perhaps this is because religion no longer dominates everyday life in Western society; whereas, for Muslims, Islam is life. Muslims make no artificial division between the secular and the sacred. it has shown itself to be not only the most widespread religion in the world, but also the most dynamic, attracting converts at a faster rate than at anytime in the last 500 years.
Islam is a religion best suited to the nature of mankind, a religion that goes neither to the extremes of hardship nor of laxity, but instead provides a middle path; in other words, a religion of ease and this is in reality, speaking about the easiness of its acts of worship and morals. Religion by definition means commitment and an obligation to a master.
Quran:
"Allah intends for you ease, and does not want to make things difficult for you" [2:185]; and "Allah does not want to place you in difficulty" [5:6].

So its not a “religion” in the narrow sense used by secular humanists, in the west, but is the universal and eternal deen known through Prophets to every nation of people since the human race first began. This Islamic deen lays great emphasis on uncompromising monotheism and strict adherence to its creed and method of worship. It enjoins submission to the will of Allah and urges every person to follow as closely as possible the exemplary way of the life of Muhammad, the last of the Prophets and Messengers, peace be on them all.

 

[blackout]

Actually the information indicates that Islam is truly a religion from God . It is unreasonable to think that so many American converted to Islam without careful consideration and deep contemplation. before concluding that Islam is true. These Americans came from different classes, races and walks of life. They include scientists, professors, philosophers, journalists, doctors, nurses, teachers, artists, lawmakers, chefs, laborers, and every other sort of person imaginable.

oh please.

People convert to different religions all the time.
and sometimes 3 or 4 times, or more.
sometimes they later deconvert,
or revert,
or drop it all.
or whatever.

 

[blackout]

I really don’t like misunderstanding of my intentions, It is not an assault on Christianity or any other religion.in the same time I don't outbid on Islam. Islam a brilliant religion by itself, it doesn’t need like other religions any preaching or missionary work or me.

I think we dont know Islam very well because Islam is frequently misunderstood and may even seem exotic in some parts of today's world. Perhaps this is because religion no longer dominates everyday life in Western society; whereas, for Muslims, Islam is life. Muslims make no artificial division between the secular and the sacred. it has shown itself to be not only the most widespread religion in the world, but also the most dynamic, attracting converts at a faster rate than at anytime in the last 500 years.
Islam is a religion best suited to the nature of mankind, a religion that goes neither to the extremes of hardship nor of laxity, but instead provides a middle path; in other words, a religion of ease and this is in reality, speaking about the easiness of its acts of worship and morals. Religion by definition means commitment and an obligation to a master.
Quran:
"Allah intends for you ease, and does not want to make things difficult for you" [2:185]; and "Allah does not want to place you in difficulty" [5:6].

So its not a “religion” in the narrow sense used by secular humanists, in the west, but is the universal and eternal deen known through Prophets to every nation of people since the human race first began. This Islamic deen lays great emphasis on uncompromising monotheism and strict adherence to its creed and method of worship. It enjoins submission to the will of Allah and urges every person to follow as closely as possible the exemplary way of the life of Muhammad, the last of the Prophets and Messengers, peace be on them all.

Are you here to ask questions?
or preach (under a flimsy veil of 'questions').

 

[LuisDantas]

Belief in God (or lack of same) is not a rational matter, but rather an aesthetic one. It is at least as rational to be an atheist as it would be to be a theist.

Given how there are at the very least a handful of different theistic religions that make as much internal logical sense as Islam and Christianity - and that quite a few are in fact incompatible with Abrahamic faiths - I don't see how to or why even attempt a rational justification of the validity of either of those faiths. They deal with faith and belief, not reason, after all.

If rationality is important for one's religious life, then it is better to at the very least accept that it will not be possible to find much of a clear advantage for either among the Abrahamic faiths. They are simply not built for that purpose. They rely way too much on belief in God.

 

[dwdw2400]

For the Muslim, belief in Allah forms a foundational requirement of rationality and belief in Muhammad as the prophet of Allah follows from applying the rational mind to the evidence of his mission.
If someone tries to do what is morally right they are already acknowledging that there is a moral good to achieve. Such moral value only exists if existence as a whole achieves something morally good, i.e. if existence has a purpose.

 

[LuisDantas]

For the Muslim, belief in Allah forms a foundational requirement of rationality and belief in Muhammad as the prophet of Allah follows from applying the rational mind to the evidence of his mission.

Maybe it does. The premise itself, however, is still a matter of faith as opposed to reason.

If someone tries to do what is morally right they are already acknowledging that there is a moral good to achieve.

Or that they are attempting to find one, anyway. Not necessarily that it does exist.

Such moral value only exists if existence as a whole achieves something morally good, i.e. if existence has a purpose.

Wrong. It is also possible, and perhaps probable, that existence has NO purpose but offers the possibility of building one.