mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you are saying that I can't separate going to a strip club, where there are also a brothel(Germany) and looking at naked women at a public nude beach.
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I don't think we should hide the woman.
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So you are saying that I can't separate going to a strip club, where there are also a brothel(Germany) and looking at naked women at a public nude beach.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Certainly Speedos.
Depends upon the wearer.
Young me....ladies swoon.
Old me....board shorts & Hawaiian shirt.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Maybe you can. I can't see much difference.
Not having been a party to your experience, I can only guess, but I agree sexualizing children is disgusting.
I have never not been realistic and I wish I could say the same for you. It is not unrealistic to point out that you are placing the blame for lust on the object of lust and not on the people that are lusting.
They might go for a lot of reasons, but the most likely is the adult women that dance there. What is your point. Again, the lust is in the men. The women are only a source of temptation.
Temptation doesn't require scant clothing or nudity. Bagging the women will not stop lust. A very simple and practical point that you seem unwilling to acknowledge.
Are you in some constant state of lust or something? I cannot imagine breaking down and losing control simply at the sight of a dancing girl.
Not to mention that you have moved the goal posts to another issue that has nothing to do with covering up women so that men won't lose control of themselves.
I hate playing football with you. That goal post rushes for more yards than any of the players.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
A woman is not a sex toy for horny guys.....a woman has her rights and should be treated with respect.
I would say that lust is experienced by a person for another person, object or even an outcome. If a woman, however she is dressed, is lusted after, it is not her that is doing the lusting. If she wants to dress modestly, that is her choice. I might appreciate and approve of that choice, but that makes little difference in whether she is lusted after.
A person does not have to be actively tempting in any reasonably recognized way to become the object of lust. In some instances, covering a person up may make them more of a temptation.
To me enforced covering sounds like the sinner cannot control him or herself, so rather than learn control or have it taught, find some way to burden and place responsibility on the object of that lust.
A person can be passively tempting even while trying not to be. Actively tempting with numerous iterations of how that can be carried out. But lust is just lust.
A person does not have to be actively tempting in any reasonably recognized way to become the object of lust. In some instances, covering a person up may make them more of a temptation.
To me enforced covering sounds like the sinner cannot control him or herself, so rather than learn control or have it taught, find some way to burden and place responsibility on the object of that lust.
A person can be passively tempting even while trying not to be. Actively tempting with numerous iterations of how that can be carried out. But lust is just lust.
We Never Know
No Slack
Honestly if men tries to hide a woman in a burka or in some other ways, then it is not the woman that is the problem. It is the men. If a man can not control his lust without hiding away the females. The veil isn't in the clothes it is in the mind.
Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this
A man will lust after a woman whether she is naked or completely covered. And many times vise-versa.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
If it is the wife, that is common yes, other than that it is an unwanted attachment.
Between a husband and wife, hopefully it is passion and not lust.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Probably both in many ways. But passion is the main.
From a pragmatic position, I would agree. But hopefully more passion than anything.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
I do believe there should be some modesty in clothing for both men and women. It doesn't help to tempt lust in people. The person gazing at the person has the final responsibility. I can't judge the Qur'an in it's time for covering up much of the women's body. I don't know the conditions of Arabia sufficiently to make that judgement. There was nothing there that prescribed covering the face, and reason would suggest that would be not a good thing.Honestly if men tries to hide a woman in a burka or in some other ways, then it is not the woman that is the problem. It is the men. If a man can not control his lust without hiding away the females. The veil isn't in the clothes it is in the mind.
Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this
They're making elephants wear burkas now? Might help their prospects for marriage.
Lets say that we are confronted with Satan, who wants to kill a million Iraqis unless we object. Does a mild, "eh" suffice? Jesus said that we should not be tepid (mild), we should either be passionate for or passionate against.
I'd rather take the advice of Jesus about opposing Satan and preserving life.
I thought we were talking about meat.
Most women who wear burkas are fine with them. They don't feel burdened, and they would feel naked without them. To them, they are judged by their actions and personalities, rather than their looks.
If women were vehemently opposed to burkas, that would be a different matter.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I cant say what others should do.