I don't think we should hide the woman.

[Secret Chief]

Thanks, we all appreciate it.

Hey, these abs took a lot of hard work.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What civilizations broke down cuz of immodest dress?

From what I observe, the worst countries are the ones
with the greatest control over dress, eg, Afghanistan
under the Taliban, N Korea.

That is why a balance was offered.

It is unbridled liberty that is bringing to ruin our current age.

Regards Tony

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As a woman i can assure you that many men cannot or simply don't want to

Then that says everything about those men, and nothing whatever about the objects of their lust -- no matter how those objects are clothed.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

People choosing to express modesty in their culture concerning clothing (for the virtue of modesty in my opinion is far more than just clothing) is not dependent on what the desires of others may or may not be wholly in my opinion.

While that may be quite true, I think it is also true that if a person chooses NOT to be modest, that is a) also their business and b) not to be read as an invitation to get handsy.

 

[ChristineM]

Then that says everything about those men, and nothing whatever about the objects of their lust -- no matter how those objects are clothed.

Yes. I don't see us as objects of lust, men, some anyway see it differently

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That is how I have always interpreted the practice. An attempt to place responsibility on the beheld for the feelings of the beholder. I have noticed that covering something up makes me wonder more about what I am not supposed to be seeing. The opposite effect I would imagine from that which is intended.

Yeah, every time I see a fig leaf, I start thinking about naughty bits...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Lust isn't the problem. (Even women have it.)
It's religion imposing restrictions based upon a dysfunctional morality.
(I'm being diplomatic with "dysfunctional".)
Woe unto those who cannot appreciate lust.

I have no problem at all with lust -- quite enjoy lustful feelings, actually. But acting on those feelings uninvited -- that's the problem.

 

[kaninchen]

Sometimes mansplaining is just splaining.
How else will you know if no one splains it to you, eh.

How else will you know if no one tells you that, really, you're not the expert in 'splaining?

Sometimes, even the best, the most noble, the most expert, of message board warriors might need to step back from pointless battles?

 

[Revoltingest]

That is why a balance was offered.

It is unbridled liberty that is bringing to ruin our current age.

Regards Tony

I'm not proposing "unbridled" liberty...
which I infer to mean anarchy.
Tis not a choice between extremes.
Just reasonable regulation of some things.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have no problem at all with lust -- quite enjoy lustful feelings, actually. But acting on those feelings uninvited -- that's the problem.

All good things can become wrong when mis-used.
So we cannot judge by that potential. Properly
managed lust is one of life's great pleasures.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sometimes, even the best, the most noble, the most expert, of message board warriors might need to step back from pointless battles?

I have exited many such donnybrooks.

Oddly, some posters refuse my offer to
"agree to disagree", thinking that I'm forcing
something unclean & unfair upon them.
Am I really that enticing to rail at?
Go figure.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not proposing "unbridled" liberty...
which I infer to mean anarchy.
Tis not a choice between extremes.
Just reasonable regulation of some things.

Which is a full circle back to moderation in clothing.

Regards Tony

 

[Revoltingest]

Which is a full circle back to moderation in clothing.

Regards Tony

To require modest clothing, eg, burka, is over-regulation IMO.
Do you oppose mini-skirts, halter tops, tight pants, short shorts,
exposed bra straps, or what?

 

[Link]

So you say any woman who are non Muslim should follow what you say?

Quran guide Muslims yes, that is true, but who say a human being can not think for them selves too?

Do you think anything outside of the Quran for your self? Or do you read Quran and not ask one single question?

I already answered this but from another angle I will reply. If they perceive the wisdom, they should follow it regardless if they accept Quran or not. They tend not to perceive wisdom though and this is one of the reasons God reveals a book of insights, so as to give sight back to the utterly blind evil people and God attempts to intercede on our paths through his chosen interceders and holy books so that we return to him.

Quran reveals it's satanic intoxication that makes people into sexual deviance and a way to combat this is yes to guard our own looks which Quran emphasizes on, but also for women not to tempt men, and guard by clothing that covers as much as possible.

 

[Lain]

While that may be quite true, I think it is also true that if a person chooses NOT to be modest, that is a) also their business and b) not to be read as an invitation to get handsy.

What do you mean by "their business"? In that it is something they chose to do or is in their power to do? (I mean those two things to mean the same thing, just two different ways of saying it.)

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What do you mean by "their business"? In that it is something they chose to do or is in their power to do? (I mean those two things to mean the same thing, just two different ways of saying it.)

I mean that I suppose that how people wish to dress is entirely up to them.

It may be that their school or business (or community) disagrees, but it is still their business. If they get fired, or expelled, or excommunicated, they still have the right to make that choice for themselves.

 

[Lain]

I mean that I suppose that how people wish to dress is entirely up to them.

It may be that their school or business (or community) disagrees, but it is still their business. If they get fired, or expelled, or excommunicated, they still have the right to make that choice for themselves.

Are you using "right" as in "ability" or that however people choose to dress should be legally protected?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I see. So it is the girls that were responsible for lust in your son and not your son and you make sure your girls do not do anything to promote lust in males.

I never said he was lusting. But they were certainly trying to cause lust.
Yes of course I wanted my girls to dress modesty and not behave like whores. What is wrong with that?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Are you using "right" as in "ability" or that however people choose to dress should be legally protected?

Sorry, but I see this as a bizarre question. "Rights" and "abilities" have nothing to do with one another.

I am a very strong believer in the idea that people must be permitted to live their lives as they see fit, so long as they do not harm anyone else in doing so. If you decide you want to dance in a pink tutu in your driveway, I believe that you should be free to do so, and that I have nothing to say about it (other than perhaps an artistic critique in the local paper).

 

[Wildswanderer]

There ae consequences to all of our actions. That is not a question here. The question is who bears the responsibility for the lust of man and if tarp-clad women are the only way to prevent it.

How did you manage to stave off all that lust that the two pre-teens were shooting at you?

I was old and mature enough not to lust after children.