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I don't think we should hide the woman.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oh dear, the terrible oppression suffered by the oppressors must be the basis of all analysis.
How about just eliminating oppression, rather than
expanding it to all, eh. Otherwise women might find
themselves drafted into the next war, with men getting
the chance to stay home.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't have dimples, but I am told that women seem to find them attractive. In order to curb these lusting lasses, I propose mandatory beards in all males old enough to grow them. We could call it the ZZ Top law. It would be the lust eliminator for any sharp dressed man.
 

kaninchen

Member
How about just eliminating oppression, rather than
expanding it to all, eh. Otherwise women might find
themselves drafted into the next war, with men getting
the chance to stay home.

Yes, I know, I need the whole thing being mansplained by some guy on the internet. Meanwhile, while I'm not an Israeli, the whole question about women and the draft . . . ..
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why do we have to be mysterious? We know what bodies look like in general.

My wife and I were on a nude beach on the campus of an all-inclusive. The first day, she took her top off, and I was looking at the women. By day two, I had lost interest in bare breasts. The women in bathing suits looked better. And my wife stopped going topless by the second day, once she began recognizing people on the beach. She could be topless for strangers only.

I wonder what caused lust back in the day before people started wearing less clothes?

We also visited Kenya, and saw a local Maasai dance, in which there was a thirteen year old girl dancing topless along with several older women. I guess bare breasts aren't considered a sexual stimulus there. They did want their backsides so covered in the thatching of their skirts that you couldn't make out its contour, but breasts were fine.

I was very uncomfortable as this girl danced by me and innocently smiled a beautiful smile at me. I was conflicted even looking at her, probably a crime in my world. She was attractive, albeit not sexually - or at least I had no desire to know her sexually. She was just beautiful. Yet I was experiencing cognitive dissonance. That's all me, I know.

But if all you can muster is to essentially say.... "I'm right. You're wrong. Here's a link." .....then I detect no effort. What you infer from your link won't be the same for others. Wanna convince anyone....then make your case.

I agree with you, but for different reasons. I generally won't look at an orphan link - a link being the argument rather support of a presented argument - for a variety of reasons, but lack of effort isn't one of them. My experience is that if you do respond to the link, you find out that the person leaving it didn't understand it, or it wasn't relevant, or the person wasn't interested in the part you responded to, and there is nobody to respond to your reaction since the author isn't there.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
We also visited Kenya, and saw a local Maasai dance, in which there was a thirteen year old girl dancing topless along with several older women. I guess bare breasts aren't considered a sexual stimulus there. They did want their backsides so covered in the thatching of their skirts that you couldn't make out its contour, but breasts were fine.

I have a friend from Mali, and she told me it was very very common for mothers to walk around topless, in public even. And no one would ever gawk at them, because that was culturally taboo. It was a respect afforded to mothers, who had work to do and babies to feed.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I agree with you, but for different reasons. I generally won't look at an orphan link - a link being the argument rather support of a presented argument - for a variety of reasons, but lack of effort isn't one of them. My experience is that if you do respond to the link, you find out that the person leaving it didn't understand it, or it wasn't relevant, or the person wasn't interested in the part you responded to, and there is nobody to respond to your reaction since the author isn't there.
My experience is that many people are convinced that they
have The Truth. And if anyone else would just read this book
or that link, they'd come away with the same understanding.
Nah.
Issues are often more complex than they've expressed in
a brief post. And lengthy links address more material than
is relevant to the post's claim.
So why invest the time to wade thru the link to glean the
particular meaning that the claimant wants to convey, if they
won't summarize it?
Some here (who shall go nameless) even tell others to search
the internet....they don't even provide links.

Good discussion technique is supporting one's claims in
a manner that conveys thoughts & evidence efficiently
to one's audience.
 
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