I don't think we should hide the woman.

[Sand Dancer]

So I guess I'm in the minority who thinks the whole burkah thing adds to a woman's mystery and allure.

When I see someone in a bikini, it's like... no mystery there.

Why do we have to be mysterious? We know what bodies look like in general.

 

[Fool]

Honestly if men tries to hide a woman in a burka or in some other ways, then it is not the woman that is the problem. It is the men. If a man can not control his lust without hiding away the females. The veil isn't in the clothes it is in the mind.

Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this

good insight.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, but remove religion in China and nothing would change. Religion is not outside culture. It is a form of culture and not the only overall category that have prescriptions & proscriptions.

Perhaps you think I implied that religion was the sole
determinant. Nay, only that it's the major problem
regarding covering women up, eg, what happened in
Iran when it became a theocracy some decades ago.

 

[Audie]

Honestly if men tries to hide a woman in a burka or in some other ways, then it is not the woman that is the problem. It is the men. If a man can not control his lust without hiding away the females. The veil isn't in the clothes it is in the mind.

Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this

You put yourself in place. On the good side.

 

[ChristineM]

Women aren't predatory?
Hah!
Old saying....
Man pursues woman until she catches him.

But back to the meat of the issue, the problem isn't
lust, but a religion that wrongfully tries to suppress
it in both men & women. And then has the ridiculous
notion that covering up women solves the problem.

I said. "in general women aren't preditory".

I don't see any religion trying to suppress mens lust but rather hiding the object if their lust.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I agree, I think that the burka and hedjab are excessive, and say more about the those who have legislated it other than those who may defy wearing it.
But, of course, I profoundly dislike provocative and lewd attire. For, as far as I am concerned, this says more about those that don such garments, as opposed to those who may leer a little extra longer at it than usual.
Keep your private areas reserved for your husband, and no one else. People flaunt their greatest assets, if your showing too much skin, you're, to a large degree, professing that you lack anything else to offer, at least of equal value.

I think since western culture emphasizes looks, women who think it's the best way to get attention will wear skimpy clothes. I don't mean just normal lightweight clothing because it's warm, but stuff you can't help noticing. They may feel they don't have any other way to get noticed. The smart girls don't get as much recognition as the pretty girls. Sometimes girls that are "too smart" turn guys off. Guys don't get judged by their looks like females do, so we use it, or abuse it, in some cases. So many women think they have to wear make up, nail polish, skimpy clothes, etc when outside the house, and I never got that attitude. Guys can just be themselves; we should be able to as well.

 

[Audie]

Perhaps you think I implied that religion was the sole
determinant. Nay, only that it's the major problem
regarding covering women up, eg, what happened in
Iran when it became a theocracy some decades ago.

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[Revoltingest]

I said. "in general women aren't preditory".

I say they're as predatory as men.
Only the techniques differ.

I don't see any religion trying to suppress mens lust but rather hiding the object if their lust.

Islam suppresses lust in men too by....
- Covering up women.
- Punishing men for dalliances (single women, other men, PDA).

Perhaps you believe that because women have it
worse under Islam, that it's all that great for men too?

 

[ChristineM]

I say they're as predatory as men.
Only the techniques differ.

A not predatory technique perhaps. In general women do not force their attention on men.

Islam suppresses lust in men too by....
- Covering up women.
- Punishing men for dalliances (single women, other men, PDA).

Covering up women, making them the scapegoat for mens lust..

Perhaps you believe that because women have it
worse under Islam, that it's all that great for men too?

I have never claimed that its worse for women or better for men. The Quran 2:273 and and other verses does it for me.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Oh boy am I gonna be put in place for saying this

By whom and why do you think that?
You seem pretty convinced that that will happen. Why?

 

[Revoltingest]

A not predatory technique perhaps. In general women do not force their attention on men.

You must know meek women.
But those Frenchmen....

Covering up women, making them the scapegoat for mens lust..

Do you see Islam as at all related to this problem?

I have never claimed that its worse for women or better for men. The Quran 2:273 and and other verses does it for me.

So perhaps Islam is a source of such oppression, eh.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I dress modestly so as to not inflame the passions of others.

I think modest clothing is so uber-sexy and such a turn-on. It really gets my motor running as it is mysterious and triggers my curiosity of what's underneath.



Oeps.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I can't tell if you are debating. But I suspect so.

No, I merely replied on a statement which I think should be well balanced, and not made out as emperical fact.
See, no debating here.
perhaps my statement is seen as anti woke and micro agressive?

 

[SA Huguenot]

I think modest clothing is so uber-sexy and such a turn-on. It really gets my motor running as it is mysterious and triggers my curiosity of what's underneath.



Oeps.

Yip.
Thats why I married my wife. She was, and still is a very conservative woman.
And verry...verry...sexy because of it.
But I do not see the need for her to cover up. oh, and on the beach she wears a swimsuit.

 

[Spirit of Light]

By whom and why do you think that?
You seem pretty convinced that that will happen. Why?

It was a joke

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yip.
Thats why I married my wife. She was, and still is a very conservative woman.
And verry...verry...sexy because of it.
But I do not see the need for her to cover up. oh, and on the beach she wears a swimsuit.

I was actually joking though. Well.... kinda

A woman with 27 sweaters on is not going to get my motor running.
But I would prefer a somewhat tight sweater over cleavage dropping down to the belly button, in terms of sexyness though.

Or to put it in more general/extreme terms: nicely / classy clothed women I find more sexy then naked women.

It's like christmass. I enjoy the unwrapping more then the gift itself

 

[SA Huguenot]

It was a joke

Yesss. He did not get it!

 

[SA Huguenot]

I was actually joking though. Well.... kinda

A woman with 27 sweaters on is not going to get my motor running.
But I would prefer a somewhat tight sweater over cleavage dropping down to the belly button, in terms of sexyness though.

Or to put it in more general/extreme terms: nicely / classy clothed women I find more sexy then naked women.

It's like christmass. I enjoy the unwrapping more then the gift itself

What if Muslim women may wear that 70's spandex material.
Covered up, but igniting your V8 motor!

 

[Stonetree]

Pepe le Pew is a truism in a discussion of Muslim complete covering of women as the answer to moral problems.

 

[ChristineM]

You must know meek women.
But those Frenchmen....

Do you see Islam as at all related to this problem?

So perhaps Islam is a source of such oppression, eh.

You brought islam into it.

No islam isn't the source although it does plenty to continue the the tradition. Christianity to can put the spoke in the works