I got a question for you guys!

[Muffled]

But all that refers to past and present - not future. Most people include knowing the future in omniscience.

.. Right?

To hearken back to my previous post. God created everything and time is an element of that creation.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

[Aquitaine]

It doesn't.

All you will get are the verses people use to justify their belief that He is.

If God is in fact all knowing, one can only conclude that he knowingly set man up to fail with the OT.

That's a good point actually, if he knew everything, he even set Mankind up to fail with Adam & Eve.



One thing I'll just never get though is why did he turn Lot's Wife to Salt for looking at Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?) whilst they were fleeing the merciful orbital bombardment sent by God?

 

[AK4]

Okay, i've been watching a lot of youtube, and cause i'm obsessed(kind of, im not really an obsessive person, but.... well, whatever) with religion, i've been watching a lot of videos where people state their opinons on religion.
There are many athiestic views, some agnostic views, and plenty of christian views that i've read.

And just to throw this out there, i have found that plenty of the christians in here do actually have what they believe to be solid facts to uphold there religion. They aren't just "believe in it or you're going to hell", they are quite polite to an athiest or agnostics views and try to show us in the way we ask them to why their religion is true. I'm not saying they succeeded, but this is simply a case in point that not every single christian is ignorant and won't even try to answer our questions.

Okay, well i kind of diverged from the point. The question is this, to all you bible-thumpers(jk) out there, where in the bible does it state that god is omniscient? When i say this, i mean, where does it say in the bible that god himself ascribed himself to this ability. I have a point im trying to prove in youtube and if you guys can give me a quote or if i can simply get a general"nowhere" comment, i'll continue from there.

Also, to be honest, i'm curious, cause if god isn't all knowing, assuming there is one, that he isn't that bad, cause it means he's winging it just like the rest of us. Thanks for any help you guys give me!

If this doesnt do it for ya, i dont know what will. But theres more

om·nis·cient (

m-n

sh

nt) adj. Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient deity; the omniscient narrator.

n. 1. One having total knowledge.
2. Omniscient God. Used with the.

Isaiah 46:5-13 -5 "To whom would you liken Me And make Me equal and compare Me, That we would be alike? 6 "Those who lavish R1814 gold from the purse And weigh silver on the scale Hire a goldsmith, and he makes it {into} a god; They bow R1815 down, indeed they worship it. 7 "They lift R1816 it upon the shoulder {and} carry it; They set it in its place and it stands {there.} It R1817 does not move from its place. Though one may cry to it, it cannot R1818 answer; It cannot R1819 deliver him from his distress. 8 "Remember this, and be assured; F673 Recall R1820 it to mind, F674 you transgressors. R1821 9 "Remember the former R1822 things long past, For I am God, and there is no R1823 other; {I am} God, and there is no R1824 one like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; 11 Calling a bird R1825 of prey from the east, R1826 The man of My F675 purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; R1827 truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned {it, surely} I will do it. 12 "Listen to Me, you stubborn-minded, R1828 Who are far R1829 from righteousness. 13 "I bring R1830 near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation R1831 in Zion, {And} My glory R1832 for Israel.

Did you notice that----Declaring the end FROM THE BEGINNING. Now compare that with the definition with omniscient. Could He not have just said in verse 10

I am omniscient....And I will accomplish all My good pleasure.

And notice this is all said in quotes

 

[AK4]

Heres another

God's Omnipresence and Omniscience.
For the choir director. A Psalm of David. ​

PSALMS 139

1 O LORD, You have searched R4338 me and known me.
2 You know R4339 when F1468 I sit down and when F1469 I rise up;
You understand R4340 my thought from afar.
3 You scrutinize R4341 F1470 my path F1471 and my lying down,
And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
4 Even F1472 before there is a word on my tongue,
Behold, O LORD, You know R4342 it all.
5 You have enclosed R4343 me behind and before,
And laid R4344 Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge R4345 is too R4346 wonderful for me;
It is too high, I cannot attain to it.​

7 Where R4347 can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If R4348 I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, F1473 behold, You R4349 are there.
9 If I take the wings of the dawn,
If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand will lead R4350 me,
And Your right hand will lay hold of me.
11 If I say, "Surely the darkness R4351 will overwhelm F1474 me,
And the light around me will be night,"
12 Even the darkness R4352 is not dark to F1475 You,
And the night is as bright as the day.
Darkness R4353 and light are alike to You.​

13 For You formed R4354 my inward F1476 parts;
You wove R4355 me in my mother's womb.
14 I will give thanks to You, for I F1477 am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Wonderful R4356 are Your works,
And my soul knows it very well.
15 My frame R4357 F1478 was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the depths R4358 of the earth;
16 Your eyes R4359 have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your R4360 book were ALL written
The days R4361 that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them.​

 

[McBell]

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the tree was there for a reason.

Yes it was.
The fall of mankind.
Pretty obvious so long as you are not trying to ignore the facts.

 

[S-word]

If this doesnt do it for ya, i dont know what will. But theres more

om·nis·cient (

m-n

sh

nt) adj. Having total knowledge; knowing everything: an omniscient deity; the omniscient narrator.

n. 1. One having total knowledge.
2. Omniscient God. Used with the.

Isaiah 46:5-13 -5 "To whom would you liken Me And make Me equal and compare Me, That we would be alike? 6 "Those who lavish R1814 gold from the purse And weigh silver on the scale Hire a goldsmith, and he makes it {into} a god; They bow R1815 down, indeed they worship it. 7 "They lift R1816 it upon the shoulder {and} carry it; They set it in its place and it stands {there.} It R1817 does not move from its place. Though one may cry to it, it cannot R1818 answer; It cannot R1819 deliver him from his distress. 8 "Remember this, and be assured; F673 Recall R1820 it to mind, F674 you transgressors. R1821 9 "Remember the former R1822 things long past, For I am God, and there is no R1823 other; {I am} God, and there is no R1824 one like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; 11 Calling a bird R1825 of prey from the east, R1826 The man of My F675 purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; R1827 truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned {it, surely} I will do it. 12 "Listen to Me, you stubborn-minded, R1828 Who are far R1829 from righteousness. 13 "I bring R1830 near My righteousness, it is not far off; And My salvation will not delay. And I will grant salvation R1831 in Zion, {And} My glory R1832 for Israel.

Did you notice that----Declaring the end FROM THE BEGINNING. Now compare that with the definition with omniscient. Could He not have just said in verse 10

I am omniscient....And I will accomplish all My good pleasure.

And notice this is all said in quotes

"I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and End, the Alpha and Omega, the Father and Son."

If the (Alpha), the singularity of origin, that has become all that was, all that is, and all that will be, untill all must be drawn back to the beginning, (Not some new beginning, but THE beginning) and condensed back into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin, before it was spatially separated, and space and time began, then the Omega, who is the end result of the evolution of the Alpha in this cycle of universal activity (The two being one) and becomes the Alpha of the of the next cycle of evolutionary activity in the eternal process of energy to matter then back to energy etc; Then it becomes as obvious as the nose on your face, that He, who is the Omega has access to all of his dead past and must be privy to all that can be known at any given point in time.

 

[AK4]

"I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and End, the Alpha and Omega, the Father and Son."

If the (Alpha), the singularity of origin, that has become all that was, all that is, and all that will be, untill all must be drawn back to the beginning, (Not some new beginning, but THE beginning) and condensed back into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin, before it was spatially separated, and space and time began, then the Omega, who is the end result of the evolution of the Alpha in this cycle of universal activity (The two being one) and becomes the Alpha of the of the next cycle of evolutionary activity in the eternal process of energy to matter then back to energy etc; Then it becomes as obvious as the nose on your face, that He, who is the Omega has access to all of his dead past and must be privy to all that can be known at any given point in time.

????? I think i follow. The only problem with that theory is that the Kingdom is to have no end and it is to keep going and growing and goin and growing and goin and growing. Science has proven that the universe is still speeding up. They "theorize" that it may shrink back to a single point, but no "proof". Also in thinking that the two being one (meaning they are the same "entity") is very incorrect also.

 

[S-word]

????? I think i follow. The only problem with that theory is that the Kingdom is to have no end and it is to keep going and growing and goin and growing and goin and growing. Science has proven that the universe is still speeding up. They "theorize" that it may shrink back to a single point, but no "proof". Also in thinking that the two being one (meaning they are the same "entity") is very incorrect also.

Science also tells us that at the moment of the Big Bang, when Time and Space, (the singularity of origin) were torn apart or spatially separated, there was nothing but the liquid like electromagnetic energy which was in the billions and billions of degrees.

When the separation was completed and all that was, in the ever expanding space, was the quantum of that electromagnetic energy which is the photons or wave particles that are not particles at all, having zero mass and no electric charge, yet carrying angular and linear momentum: the divine animating principle that pervades this entire universal body/the life-force that activates all thatis including you and I.

It is the gathering together of these invisible wave particles that is the creative force of all that was, all that is, and all that will be, in our return to the singularity of origin, where everything, and I mean everything, will be crunched back into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which we began.

The wave particles are gathered together in the creation of the sub-atomic particles, which are gathered together in the creation of the atoms which in turn are gathered in the creation of the molecules from which this galactic cluster was created. And this galactic cluster is swirling downward, in toward a massive super black hole whose tremendous hidden mass is warping the fabric of space.

It is there, where the elements of this universe will become so excited that this universal body will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from a body of corruptible matter, into a glorious body of unapproachable and incorruptible blinding light, which will burn bright in the darkness of the bottomless pit of Space for time immeasurable, without an outside observer to comprehend it, before it descends into the great worm hole where it will be eccelerated to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, to be spewed out as the unimaginable hot liquid like electromagnetic energy somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of this eternal and boundless cosmos, to be resurrected back into the universal body that it once was.

There in its new position in "space time," the light of this galactic cluster in its current position in "space time," will finally reach our new position and we, the resurrected inhabitants, will see a new star arise in the boundlessness of this eternal evolving cosmos.

 

[NubianGoddess]

How about being the god of Y.O.U- your own universe. As above so below, govern thyself.
Is it not written in your law, i said, Ye are gods? John 10:34

There is a higher power that lies in you, and until you access it, it will remain higher than thyself. Not some spook god in the sky