I got into a fight with my dad about the bible

[nPeace]

It wasn't a physical fight.It was verbal.It was just a religious argument.There wasn't even any yelling.

Oh. You were having a discussion then. Just disagreeing.
That doesn't sound so bad. Are you sure fight is the right word to use?
When you push it, that's when it becomes a fight.
However, if you are gently sharing, there is no harm in that... unless your dad is like...

What you talking bout junior?
Then it's time to excuse yourself, and go wash the dishes.
Just kidding. You can always say, "Dad. That's what I thought at first... until I actually looked at it closer!"

You and your dad seem close. That's good. Some don't have that kind of relationship.

 

[Fool]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

the soul doesn't survive, the personality/beast is uncreated and what remains is uncreated; which came to be that which quickens

ecclesiastes 3:19

 

[lewisnotmiller]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

Discussing your opinions and ideas can be very positive. I had to seek that from people other than my father since he saw things in terms of heirarchy and winner/loser.

(Basically, son should listen to father, regardless. And if son 'won' an argument, father could no longer teach anything to son. He was like this with everything from life philosophy to tennis)

Just don't see your differences as weakness or problematic. See them as a chance to get under each other's hood, so to speak, and better understand one another.

Now...I realise that only really works if both parties take that view. But ultimately you can only control you.

 

[101G]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

addressing the OP, reply with this, Revelation 14:13. for they all are God's Ezekiel 18:4.

PICJAG.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

OK... love never fails... we can agree on both religious viewpoints. Let the mature one love the most.

But, if you believe that the soul sleeps... did God wake up Moses and Elijah, and then put them back to sleep again?

Matthew 17:3 KJV
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

This was a vision. Like a dream. Not Moses and Elijah in the flesh.

 

[Kenny]

This was a vision. Like a dream. Not Moses and Elijah in the flesh.

Interesting.

Matthew 17:2-10 King James Version (KJV)
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

He was transfigured before their eyes and then They heard, they saw and Jesus said don't tell anyone. Doesn't sound like a dream.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Interesting.

Matthew 17:2-10 King James Version (KJV)
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

He was transfigured before their eyes and then They heard, they saw and Jesus said don't tell anyone. Doesn't sound like a dream.

Apparition?

 

[nPeace]

Interesting.

Matthew 17:2-10 King James Version (KJV)
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

He was transfigured before their eyes and then They heard, they saw and Jesus said don't tell anyone. Doesn't sound like a dream.

It's right there in the verse Ken. Verse 9... Tell the vision to no man.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

You should SAY nothing to him. Human beings aren't put on this Earth to proselytize to each other. Not atheists to Christians, not Christians to atheists, not Muslims to others, not Christians to the "wrong" group of Christians.

"I am possibly right, possibly wrong, how about I let things go?"

 

[blü 2]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

Then you're both right.

That's to say, your opinions are equally valid.No objective test can distinguish them, and even if it could, the record shows that a detail like that would never stop a believer.

If it's essential that only one of you be right, and the other give in:

─ AND if your dad is bigger and stronger than you, propose tossing a coin.

─ BUT if you're bigger and stronger than your dad, propose the question be settled by combat.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

Sounds to me your father likes the religion of 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only )
First, I see No mention of the soul surviving death at Ecclesiastes 12:7
Please notice the word "it" in verse 7.
The word "it" is a neuter word, a thing, and Not a biblical soul or person as Adam was - Genesis 2:7.

Also, please notice the word "saints " (holy ones) addressed at 2 Corinthians 1:1. 2nd Corinthians is written to them.
This is because 2nd Corinthians is addressed to such people (Jesus' spiritual brothers) like the people mentioned at Luke 22:28-30. They are the ones who are called to be ' saints ' (holy ones) of Daniel 7:18.
So, when 2 Corinthians 5:1 uses the word ' our ' it is addressing in reference to those people called to have that first or earlier resurrection, a heavenly resurrection - Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10.
They are Not the ' other sheep ' of John 10:16, but are the ' little flock '(smaller flock) of Luke 12:32.
The ' other sheep ' are also like the people at the coming time of Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Jesus' spiritual 'brothers' of Matthew 25:40 are the 'brothers' or part of the 'little flock ' called to heaven.
So, the verses at 2 Corinthians 5:1-9 is talking about those ''brothers/saints " who have that first or heavenly resurrection.
The majority of the dead have that 'future' resurrection as mentioned at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
That future meaning ' is going to be... ' a resurrection is a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection by Christ during his 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth.

 

[nPeace]

You should SAY nothing to him. Human beings aren't put on this Earth to proselytize to each other. Not atheists to Christians, not Christians to atheists, not Muslims to others, not Christians to the "wrong" group of Christians.

"I am possibly right, possibly wrong, how about I let things go?"

Well that depends on what wise sage told you so.
Was that sage a true representative of the Grand instructor, or just a wannabe.
Jesus claimed to represent the Grand instructor, and he quoted Isaiah 54:13.(John 6:45)
So apparently spreading knowledge about the most high has always been the will of God.
David sang that every breathing thing praise Jah. Hallelujah!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But, if you believe that the soul sleeps... did God wake up Moses and Elijah, and then put them back to sleep again?
Matthew 17:3 KJV 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Please continue reading down to Matthew 17:9 and notice the word: VISION.
The Transfiguration was a VISION and Not a real appearing of Moses and Elijah.
Jesus and the OT both teach ' soul sleep ' - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5

 

[whirlingmerc]

Sorry to hear about the fight.
I remember when I was first learning, I got into "fights", but I learned that it's best not to fight. It's not easy when you are now learning though, so it's best to learn all you can, first, so that you don't fight, but question.
Questions like, "What do you think?" "Is this the case?" etc.
I think it's good you want to share. That seems to happen automatically when you learn something new. We can't help it, so try this... be patient. Don't expect people will see what you see.
Just ask them, if they see it. If they don't, don't get excited. Just wait patiently.
They may not see that. They may see something else.
For example, they may see a new Frank - the patient, gentle kind, and that may be more important than the idea that the soul survives bodily death.
In time, they may see something different.
So put on your tie, get your Bible, and keep learning.

I think your dad is on the stronger grounds. "To be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord" leans in his favor

Jesus even said in John 2 to 'ear down this body and in 3 days I WILL RAISE IT UP" so Jesus in his divinity raised Jesus in his humanity. That is also something I lean in favor of Dad's POV

When we die, “the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” (Eccl. 12:7).

 

[Thief]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

you cannot get out of your body
you did not put you into the flesh
you are not your own handiwork

so....after your last breath
one desire will be waiting for you
the greatest desire you will ever know

you will desire to stand up

I suggest you do so

otherwise you follow your body into the box
and the box into the ground

eternal darkness is NOT a philosophical idea
it is physically real

 

[InChrist]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

I would say that view of your dad lines up with the Bible.

Is the Human Soul and Spirit Immortal?

Most importantly I would suggest truly praying about your “liking” of the Jehovah’s Witness religion. Really knowing God and His will for your life isn’t about religion. From my experience religion brings bondage to a group and the human leaders. A relationship with the Living God who created heaven and earth brings freedom and eternal love.

 

[PruePhillip]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

You are posing questions in relation to JW's.
Are you being honest with yourself and looking
at JW material on-line? And no, not JW.org.

 

[Audie]

My dad said that Ecclesiastes 12:7 and 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 point to the idea that the soul survives bodily death.What should I say to him?.Because my dad likes the christian religion.And I like the jehovah's witness religion.

This does so much to illustrate why religion is the source of so many wars.

 

[Audie]

I would say that view of your dad lines up with the Bible.

Is the Human Soul and Spirit Immortal?

Most importantly I would suggest truly praying about your “liking” of the Jehovah’s Witness religion. Really knowing God and His will for your life isn’t about religion. From my experience religion brings bondage to a group and the human leaders. A relationship with the Living God who created heaven and earth brings freedom and eternal love.

Could enforced ignorance be considered a form of bondage?

 

[Audie]

By the way, I'm not Christian, but even I know the soul survives death of the physical body. It's not faith on my part, but working knowledge.

You do know that?