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I hate myself
- Thread starter Shushersbedamned
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Anything we can do to help?
Jumi
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Jesus, Lao-Tze, Baha'ullah and others like them who said the same thing didn't hate introverts. You could say some of them even preferred us introverts(Lao-Tze among others). You can be an introvert in a country of introverts, an autist among autists and yet still have love for your neighbor. Indeed this isn't any easier for those extraverts.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
My name' comes from my disdain to other people.
Srivijaya
Active Member
That's why you hate yourself too.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Why disdain for people you don't know? Doesn't that feel self-defeatist?
stvdv
Veteran Member
I don't agree with this. Her name is perfectly well chosen. If my english understanding is correct (being dutch) it means "Sushers be damned". This just expresses her desire that Sushers [the ones telling you to shut up] now finally shut up themselves. I totally agree with this. Even better, hereby one claims selfrespect, and stops the circle of disrespectful people showing disrespect. I would recommend this to all people. IMHO.
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I've just started reading 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson, and he appears to make much sense to me - perhaps not to others. Take a look at this (not viewed any of his stuff before - Cathy Newman is appalling at times, as reflected in the comments):
This might make you want to read the book or not - and the first message, with which I totally agree, is to take responsibility for oneself - in all things.
This might make you want to read the book or not - and the first message, with which I totally agree, is to take responsibility for oneself - in all things.
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Shushersbedamned
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Though I admit the matters have some correlation I dare say that is not true.
Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
It sucks. I tried for years to go against my intuition and my beliefs and kept myself open to the people around me, but with their ignorance and arrogance they can easily defeat me without even trying.
Because it's no obstacle for them that they are not smarter. Only I - and some others - feel the weight of it. So for the sake of my well being I keep the crowd at a distance and only let few and chosen to get in touch with the real me so to speak.
Whether this is good, smart or right I do not know. I do it bc it feels like a nesessity. Saves energy for things I have real interest in.
stvdv
Veteran Member
I would not call it appalling. I really think she has no clue at all. And she was the perfect interviewer to show NOT to act if you want to get to the top. Total lack of common sense. Total lack of listening to the other. Only obsessed with fault finding in the other's view it seemed to me [poining one finger total ignorant 3 fingers point back]
Beside the childish acting woman, I really liked the clarity and concentration of the man [he had his act well together, 100% opposite of the woman] And was able to explain it very well. That she didn't get it, was totally because of her. There were 20 reasons and she could hardly get to the second reason. Like a song repeating the same words all the time. I'm totally not into getting to the top, but within a few minutes I totally understood why I won't get to the top, and I'm fine with that. I have different priorities also.
But respect to the woman for trying. I don't like debating myself, unless it's really important, so all respect for those who try to debate.
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Well it was a typical case of intellect over desire - to score points - and it hardly went well for her - but I suppose she was driven by other things than trying to understand where he was coming from. I was really disappointed in her behaviour. And I have bought his book.
And his Maps of Meaning book too, given that I am always intrigued by those with views apparently against the flow but coming from those with obvious intellect. Always gives me something to be jealous about too.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Aha, I'm still too innocent. I had no clue it was just to score points. I am always into it, to understand and learn. Totally different game.
I think it is often the case that some do recognise when they are up against someone much cleverer than themselves and thus tend to aim for easy points, but, as in this case, they just appear more foolish for doing so. She should perhaps have just explored what he was trying to say - but I gather he has been quite controversial in some ways - and hence the attack. I am with females on most issues but I will not tolerate such stupidity when it is exhibited and especially when it is so dishonest. And it wouldn't matter if it was a male or female doing so.
Srivijaya
Active Member
The correlation is like a smoking gun. Evidence, but not so 'obvious' at first glance.
It's normal to dislike certain individuals who behave badly towards us but when this expands to become a general misanthropy and disdain of everyone, it's evidence of an internal process which usually goes unnoticed.
There are two key poisons which arise from unknowing; desire and aversion. Most people cultivate a blend of the two but in extreme cases, an individual maxes-out on one. Aversion is a catch-all phrase which encompasses a full range of negative emotions from depression, feelings of superiority, animosity, disdain, anger etc all the way up to raging hatred.
Like desire, it's a nutriment - something the ego-mind feeds on and defines itself by. It's a poison because it spreads and infects the whole system and those it comes into contact with. Of course there are always unique and different 'justifications' for each and every instance of aversion, (it's all part of the game) but the process becomes a familiar one. Shifting aversion from one object to another becomes habitual and very difficult to break out of.
Trackdayguy
Speed doesn't kill, it's hitting the wall
Yes. What is it you believe about yourself?
A few.
What compelled you to share this tidbit?
What is it you expect to gain by sharing it?
What, if anything, do you hope to do about it to affect change?
What do you need from us?
Not necessarily. Jesus didn’t love us because he hated himself, he loved us because of empathy, because he felt the pain of the world. The bible literally says love the neighbor as the self, that’s empathy.
Reaper
Ave Satanas
Are you okay? Do you need someone to talk to?
It is certainly not possible. God is Love. There is no hatred in the nature of God. Light drives out all darkness. Have you ever experienced the Presence of God?
So, metaphorically speaking, by way of contrast, "hatred" is meant to convey that the love with which one love's God needs to be that much greater than the way we normally love others in our lives, operating out of our typical egoic self-seeking interests?
Yes, metaphorical hatred is not the same as actually hating yourself. If you understand this, then it is irresponsible to tell someone who is struggling with actual self-hatred that that is biblical. It is not. It is contrary to everything taught in the Christian message of love and forgiveness.
To view God as one who hates you when you're less than perfect, and loves you when you are, is unhealthy to say the least. It is damaging to one's spiritual well-being, their psychological well-being, as well as their physical well-being, considering all of these are interconnected with each other. Hatred withers the soul, Love unfolds it. God's Love is Unconditional, as Love is the Being of God itself.
I do not see the need to read this literally. I would say at its heart it means that he "accepts" the approach of Jacob over that of Esau. Esau would represent the ego striving to attain to God, as opposed to the act of surrendering the ego. In these metamorphic examples, yes, you have to surrender the ego, as the ego is like that camel trying to fit through the eye of a needle.
However, if Paul or anyone else way back when literally understood God as having hatred in his Being, that he literally got jealous, literally threw temper tantrums and wiped people out with acts of rage in plagues and natural disasters, then I would consider that to be a very underdeveloped imagination of God, a projection of their own self-images and phobias heaped upon God. And that would come as no surprise, since man creates God in his own self-image all the time. I believe that would fall quite short of the mark of God's Being, or the teachings of Jesus himself. I for one do not believe the Bible is literally "the word of God", dictated, infallible, or necessarily accurate.
Bear this in mind, Paul, while at times has brilliant, and true insights into the Nature of God, other times he is a petulant child throwing horrible temper tantrums from a raging ego. As the poem goes, "When he's good, he's really, really good. But when he's bad, he's horrid."
Now, as far as self-love first goes, that is absolutely correct and necessary. You have to have Light shining in your own heart first, before you can see another with that Light. That Light has to first be known to you. And if you literally hate yourself, you are living in darkness and cannot see Light in order to let that Love flow through you to another.
Letting that Love flow through you is exactly what Jesus taught in this two Great Commandments. "Love God" first, as that is the Source of Love, which means it fills you up to overflowing with that love, which means you accept and love yourself, see yourself, embrace yourself, and know yourself as God sees, embraces, knows, and loves you. Then as a result, that Love, not egoic-love, but Divine Love, flows through you as a conduit to others, thus fulfilling all the Law - you love your neighbor, as yourself. As an extension, a continuation of the Love you know in yourself. If you hate yourself, you block God, and the entire chain of sequence falls flat at the outset.
That sequence, Love God and love others, has you in the middle. You have to be filled first, before it is possible for it to flow through you. If not, you've shoved a cork in the flow and blocked God in yourself, in your self-loathing and self-hatred. And that self-loathing then gets projected onto others, as your shadow, and all is darkness. This verse here should capture this well:
"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"
Hopefully, this begins to make more sense to you now.
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Shushersbedamned
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So youre saying u don't believe I have reason to be weary of them. I hear it a lot, but I trust my own intuition it has never failed me.