I have another question for YOU to ignore

[Grumpuss]

This is fun!

It is written Jesus says, "get away from me".

Why does he say that?

Depart is a verb and away is a place. What will he tell them?

Matthew 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matthew 7:22-23

Perhaps he is seeking to distinguish the bad Jews from those that would actually keep the Ten Commandments sacred. Jesus's courageous statements against the merchants and money-lenders that defiled the Temple are lessons lost on modern society.

'Killing Jesus' portrayed the sad state of religion in Christ's own time, but it's a parable for many of us who claim to be devout, but in truth sacrifice core Judeo-Christians on a regular basis for material gain or a shameful sense of superiority.

 

[savagewind]

Perhaps he is seeking to distinguish the bad Jews from those that would actually keep the Ten Commandments sacred. Jesus's courageous statements against the merchants and money-lenders that defiled the Temple are lessons lost on modern society.

'Killing Jesus' portrayed the sad state of religion in Christ's own time, but it's a parable for many of us who claim to be devout, but in truth sacrifice core Judeo-Christians on a regular basis for material gain or a shameful sense of superiority.

I guess I get your point. There is a difference between superiority in a person and the superiority of the truth. Do you think one plus two will always equal three? Knowing the truth is as simple as one, two, three. OK? I hope that helps.

 

[savagewind]

What do you think @Grumpuss? Does a person who can speak several languages fluently have a "shameful sense of superiority" ? Or a person who can do math equations and shares them?

It seems that people who insult other people are the ones with a shameful sense of superiority.

 

[savagewind]

It seems to me that the real reason Jesus was killed was people's delegating their faith over to tradition.
I speak against tradition and so am accused of "a shameful sense of superiority". It is a good thing I care what God thinks more than I care what YOU think of me. But thank you for sharing.

 

[savagewind]

Oh no! The truth about something just hit me in the head, like it does. You know?

shameful sense of superiority.

I am sure the correct phrase is, shameLESS sense of superiority. I hope this helps. If I was ashamed of my own sense of superiority I wouldn't feel superior. Would I? Do I? I don't know. Ask the Jew. He knows everything.
Just so you know, I am not one hundred percent convinced I do not own a shameless sense of superiority. But the fact is there are a LOT of things I might say and I don't. The reason why I don't is I realize people are just like me and I don't like to get slammed much so it follows that I should not slam you either. OK?

 

[Grumpuss]

Oh no! The truth about something just hit me in the head, like it does. You know?
I am sure the correct phrase is, shameLESS sense of superiority. I hope this helps. If I was ashamed of my own sense of superiority I wouldn't feel superior. Would I? Do I? I don't know. Ask the Jew. He knows everything.
Just so you know, I am not one hundred percent convinced I do not own a shameless sense of superiority. But the fact is there are a LOT of things I might say and I don't. The reason why I don't is I realize people are just like me and I don't like to get slammed much so it follows that I should not slam you either. OK?

Try again. Such an air of superiority is shameFUL. OK?

 

[savagewind]

Try again. Such an air of superiority is shameFUL. OK?

But you can not see that it is a shame to try to bring down another people just because YOU think she should be brought down.
I think you have not learned the difference yet between the person and an idea. You have not told me what I am doing that you believe is shameful.
I have to guess.
Is it that I am speaking against tradition? Is it not allowed in your book?

 

[savagewind]

Hahaha. I am assuming, which I should not do. Someone called me a shame.....so here I am.

I have to assume I am a shame because I speak confidently against people's belief in what they believe are God's things. I have not said it is a shame to think so. I do not think it is a shame to think so.

But it has occurred to me that everything we have has been confidently handed to us to believe it all. I actually believe some of it fyi.

Whenever someone wrote what we have they wrote it with the confidence that they were transmitting God's word rightly. But their confidence was not shameful. Is that is what I am to believe? My confidence is a shame but their confidence was not. Is that the truth? @Grumpuss

 

[Grumpuss]

Speaking from a position of intellectual honesty, and with respect for those you are having the discussion with is job one. If instead, you start with an I'm-right-you're-wrong position, it's no wonder no one will want to listen to you.

You don't want to believe what others believe- that's fine. No one is forcing you. But if you adopt negativity, and simply live to slam others for their belief, you'll never see the light and only lead a miserable existence.

 

[savagewind]

Speaking from a position of intellectual honesty, and with respect for those you are having the discussion with is job one. If instead, you start with an I'm-right-you're-wrong position, it's no wonder no one will want to listen to you.

You don't want to believe what others believe- that's fine. No one is forcing you. But if you adopt negativity, and simply live to slam others for their belief, you'll never see the light and only lead a miserable existence.

But you probably do not see that you are slamming me.
I have never surmised any person wrong. I am talking about ideas. I always have been. Is it not ok to slam a bad idea? I think it is.
I never even said that anyone who transmitted scripture was wrong to do so. I think God prophesied it would happen. I have never spoken against The Holy Spirit imho.

 

[Grumpuss]

But you probably do not see that you are slamming me.
I have never surmised any person wrong. I am talking about ideas. I always have been. Is it not ok to slam a bad idea? I think it is.

I assure you, you're taking things way too personally, in addition to denigrating others. Arguing against an idea you disagree with is entirely possible without making personal attacks. That's okay- the Internet isn't for everyone.

 

[savagewind]

I assure you, you're taking things way too personally, in addition to denigrating others. Arguing against an idea you disagree with is entirely possible without making personal attacks. That's okay- the Internet isn't for everyone.

OK. Fine. Please show me one. The JWs here told me many times that I do what you say I do. When I asked them to show me, they would not. Will you? Please show me a personal attack I made. I am sure you are right but I do not remember it. In what post did I attack a person?

 

[savagewind]

@Grumpuss maybe you mean the thread title? LOL. I am sorry. Look at my post count. You are new. I am the ignored one here. That is a FACT.

Maybe I exaggerate sometimes. I apologize for that. I might not stop though.

 

[savagewind]

I have another question and I will attempt to answer it.

How can someone be so ignored on the one hand and hated on the other hand but keep going? (scroll down)



































GOD I believe God is my helper. You do not (most likely) That is OK. Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

Frogs make loud annoying sounds and they jump. What has that got to do with anything?

 

[savagewind]

I shall list some questions that I think are important for discussion but have been ignored so far on the internet. (not only here)

Did Jesus ever say it was anyone's job to make anyone else a disciple? Matthew 28:19

Is it possible that two bears can indeed kill 42 boys? How? Do boys not run away? 2 Kings 2:24

Why does the Bible say YHVH hates? Is it possible that scriptures which say God hates are being twisted? Is it possible that what was written via Holy Spirit was that people who do such things hate YHVH? Isn't it true? Proverbs 6:16-19

Why does God prophesy that people will come with scoffing to scoff people believing in God? Why does God call people names? What does "with scoffing" mean? 2 Peter 3:3 Why is it written that "above all [we] must understand" that? But if it means that people will come in imitation of the righteous way (mocking) then that IS something that "above all" we must understand. If you do not understand it then you might go with them. If you go with them it then becomes impossible to go with Jesus.

Why am I not making sense?

Why is it not possible that people in the past twisted the meaning of some of God's words? Is it not prophesied that they would? Why do people feel comfortable trusting in people before trusting in God?

Why do some people trust that God goes along in time with us and that things must happen in order respecting Earth's time? For instance, the JWs teach that Jesus made the way to heaven open for people and since that time people have been risen to be with him in Heaven. But God is not able to raise up to Heaven anyone who died before Jesus did. Is that the truth? If it isn't then why are they teaching it as though it is true?

Why is it OK that the 144,000 stand divided? What I mean is some people believe that some of the 144,000 are in heaven but some of them are on Earth. How is that possible that they are 144,000?

Why are men who have not endured to their end faithful yet are being trusted for everlasting life? Matthew 24:13

Why are some parables of Jesus teaching lessons but some are prophesies? How do the people who say which is which KNOW?

Why is almost good enough being considered enough?

 

[savagewind]

Speaking from a position of intellectual honesty, and with respect for those you are having the discussion with is job one. If instead, you start with an I'm-right-you're-wrong position, it's no wonder no one will want to listen to you.
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Do you believe that God's word is right? I am arguing for God's words. Why is that not ok according to you?

The position of the people that I argue with is that all God's words are right. Which is confusing. I agree that all God's words are right. I do not believe that every word of God was transmitted right. THEY do. Maybe you do also. Isn't that being intellectually dishonest on your part?

The only proof they have is 2 Timothy 3:16 which is something I believe in. But does it say error will never exist in it?

They might use Romans 15:4 which I also trust is true. Does that one say that no errors will ever exist in it?

They might use 2 Peter 1:20-21 but that is not about what men were inspired to teach. It is about what men for The Lord have said would happen. (prophecy vs teaching).

The Bible is full of worthwhile teachings. No teaching is the end of a matter. Prophesy is the end of a matter. But not everything which was written is prophecy.

 

[savagewind]

Is it true or false that the taking of offence is something that God has warned you about?

https://www.openbible.info/topics/offense

Is it even possible that I have found another error? Of course, church fathers would hope that you never stumble a church father so is it possible that 1 Corinthians 10:32 says instead "be not stumbled" by those that are mentioned there?

Does that really not make more sense? Would you not take my job for all the world?

 

[savagewind]

I do not slap anyone around. I love you all to pieces. Someday I might tell you my secret.

 

[savagewind]

OK. I think that to say, "do you understand the question", is a little insulting. I am sorry.

1 Corinthians 10:32
Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God-
Don't cause others to stumble, whether they are Jewish, Greek, or members of God's church.
32 Keep from becoming causes for stumbling to Jews as well as Greeks and to the congregation of God,+33 just as I am trying to please all people in all things, not seeking my own advantage,+ but that of the many, so that they may be saved.+

Without offence both to Jews be you and Greeks and to the church of God.

Jesus says it is walking in the dark that makes a person stumble. John 11:10

I am not able to make the truth dark for anyone but 1 Cor 10:32 seems to be saying that I can.

Also, I think it is true that the church of God is not able to stumble. So why does 1 Cor 10:32 seem to imply that it can be? Someone will say that the people who are joined to the church should not be made to stumble by others in the church. But I am sure that anyone who would stumble a new one isn't truly of the church. How can he be?

Then they will prove to themselves (but not me) that I am wrong by context. But what about, 1 Corinthians 10:27-28 which means, "do not be stumbled".
I think 1 Corinthians 10:32 was meant to read, "do not be stumbled by Jews, Greek or even the congregation of God".

Anyone who trusts in God knows that God will never cause a stumbling of another through the believer. It is the benefit of believing.

It is not contradictory. I imagine you are thinking, "she says a person cannot be stumbled but that God's word warns that they do not let Jews, Greeks or God's congregation stumble you."
But you must know that there is a difference between seeking belief and believing. It is obvious that there are many, many stumbling blocks between people and believing.
But may I assure you? There is no stumbling in believing. Not for the believer or through the believer.