I have another question for YOU to ignore

[savagewind]

You are a nice person, but I do not know that much about you to choose between the two given options. Perhaps you are as honest as Buddha or Jesus. I have no reason to discard that possibility.

Thank you. Logically then, you do not "see" me. I did not ask you if you think that I am dishonest and/or indecisive. I asked you if you see me that way.

I will tell you the truth. I do not see you as dishonest but I think you are indecisive because of the way you answered me. Thank you for answering me.

 

[Aupmanyav]

How could I be decisive on such an important question when I do not know you fully well? That will be falsehood. Can you tell me what happened before 'inflation'? One does not need to answer such questions if one does not know rather than making up things.

 

[savagewind]

How could I be decisive on such an important question when I do not know you fully well? That will be falsehood. Can you tell me what happened before 'inflation'? One does not need to answer such questions if one does not know rather than making up things.

If you see me as dishonest and/or indecisive the right answer would be, "Yes, I see you that way". If you do not see me as dishonest and/or indecisive the right answer would be, "no I do not see you that way". But you said, "I do not know you that much about you". So you see me no way. That is indecisive. Is it not? I did not ask you if you had come to any conclusions about me. If I had then your answer would have been just fine. I did not ask you what you believe about me. If I had then your answer would have been just fine. I asked you if you see me a particular way. Then the right answer would have been, "I do not see you". But I can see you! I think it is funny that you can't see me.

Can you tell me what happened before 'inflation'?

What does this mean?

 

[Aupmanyav]

That means that there are things about which we do not know. I told you some posts ago that I find you to be a nice person. I have not seen any dishonesty in you. But I cannot make a decisive comment. For that I need to know more about you.

 

[savagewind]

That means that there are things about which we do not know. I told you some posts ago that I find you to be a nice person. I have not seen any dishonesty in you. But I cannot make a decisive comment. For that I need to know more about you.

I like you! I think that for you to decide if I am a dishonest person you need to know everything about me. We know that is not possible.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps possible. We have communicated with each other but not that frequently as I do with the people in Hindu forum. I could say more about my friends in that forum. You see, knowledge is incremental. With more knowledge, we can make a better guess. That is all that happens in science. For example, we may not know exactly about creation of universe, origin of life and working of brain; but our knowledge is increasing.

 

[Domenic]

I disagree. Right words are right and wrong words are wrong. There are no right people for every good gift and perfect present comes from The Father. and the wrong people for as long as they live are able to accept the good things God has for them. IMHO

How about? Never me you knew, your works were apart from me, [thus] wicked.

http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/7-23.htm

Savagewind, We do not know each other, and even if we did, I can not read your heart condition. Jesus says we can’t even read our own. I have read your comments. They sound like you are seeking truth… “Is there a God? Was Jesus real. Etc.” I do understand the position you are in. At this point all you have to work with is the Bible, and what religions teach. I’m going to tell you a truth. Once you prove what the truth is you will understand all religions are false…You can not learn the truth you seek from them. It was religions that build the bible. They claim it is Gods word, and was taken from the scrolls. Well, that’s partly true. Many scriptures in the bible are from the scrolls. If you match the bible to the over fifty scrolls that were in use in Jesus time here on earth, you will find the religious leaders used only four out of over fifty scrolls. I would suggest you match those four books in the Greek section of the bible (the new testament) to the scrolls. You will find may words have been changed, or left out. Put the bible aside, and read the scrolls. Enoch is in the bible three time. He was loved by God, so much so, when Enoch reach the end of life, God would not let him see death, he took Enoch into heaven. That kind of suggest that the five books Enoch wrote were okay in Gods eyes. Enoch was the seventh from Adam and the great grandfather of Noah. Enoch wrote about what happened before the flood…he even names name’s and what they did. You can find the five books of Enoch on the net in English…they is free. If you would like to see a video on him, Trey Smith has several that match the scrolls. Good stuff.
Because of all religions being false, and their false bible, most of the world is deceived.
Those seeking the truth, and proof can find it with ease…God will not let one of his sheep be blinded.
I hope this helps.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I beg to disagree. There is a wide variation in religions, and all religions are not false. There is a difference between the religions that allow one think for oneself and those which dictate what one can think.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If you look at what he is purportedly saying it means for them to go do their evil works someplace else. Where?

Washington DC.

 

[savagewind]

Washington DC.

Hahaha

 

[Etritonakin]

This is fun!

It is written Jesus says, "get away from me".

Why does he say that?

Depart is a verb and away is a place. What will he tell them?

Matthew 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matthew 7:22-23

Satan does not have dominion over Gehenna -or the "lake of fire".
It is not as if he has some evil kingdom elsewhere where bad people can get together and be bad. Satan will be bound for a thousand years -and then he will also be cast into Gehenna -just like the beast, false prophet were a thousand years earlier.
There are several words associated with or translated "hell" in the bible. Sheol and hades are basically the grave. Tartaros is the state of restraint of the sinning angels. Gehenna is the final ultimatum. It is essentially separation and unpleasantness -the exact nature of it we do not yet know.

Before any can receive eternal life, they must be of a mind to be governed by God. The ones Christ will tell to depart are those who did evil rather than actually keeping the commandments -but to some degree thought they were doing God's will.

The "day" spoken of in Matthew 7:22-23 is the judgment.
The following is also about that day....

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire

At the judgment, all who have ever lived will be judged according to their works. Some will have done good works and will fare well more immediately.
Some will not have done good works, and will undergo that which will purify them.
They will be separated from those who have done good works and those who were in the first resurrection until such time as they are prepared and able to do good works.
Any who utterly refuse CAN be destroyed -but we do not know if God is able to turn all to repentance.


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[savagewind]

Why do I think there is something when there is nothing?

 

[savagewind]

Do you trust that Revelation 6:2 pictures Jesus Christ?

Hebrews 2:9

Compare 2 Timothy 4:8

Might Rev 6:2 picture them who trust in the appearance of The Lord but trust in their own righteousness?

 

[Christ's Prophet]

This is fun!

It is written Jesus says, "get away from me".

Why does he say that?

Depart is a verb and away is a place. What will he tell them?

Matthew 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Matthew 7:22-23

In this context, Jesus is nearing the end of His sermon which began back in Matthew Chapter 5, and verse 1. Check it out, if you have a Bible with the words of Jesus in red. He is particularly addressing the Scribes and the Pharisees who were the keepers of the Law and who thought they could get into Heaven by keeping the Law. It was a salvation by works. But the real way to salvation is by believing in the person of Jesus Christ unto salvation. Eternal salvation is by a person not works. If it was by works, how would you know how many works would be enough to get you into Heaven?
Look at the words they are using:
Matthew 7:22 (KJV)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
They were saying to Jesus at judgment day: - look at our works, isn’t that good enough. To which Jesus Christ responded in the following verse:-
Matthew 7:23 (KJV)
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
The Greek word here for ‘iniquity’ means a breaking of an established law. The Scribes and the Pharisees prided themselves in obeying the law, but in reality they were the greatest abusers of the law. Hope this helps. Christ’s prophet. Certainty for eternity

 

[Muffled]

I believe it is a short version of this:
Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Muffled]

that parable about the wedding feast ends rather harsh.....
it's like a scary movie....

I believe it isn't quite as scary for Christians. We wouldn't go to the Battle of Armageddon and fight Israel even if the country ordered us to do it.

 

[savagewind]

The sheep and the goats.

Jesus says that what you do or you don't do to a least one of Jesus Christ (the body of Christ is one) you do or don't do to him.
But Jesus does not need for anything so why would he say a person is condemned for not doing those things?

It makes more sense if he said to the goats "to the extent you did not do it to these the least, to me you did."

They added the word, "not". So now it makes no sense.

If you do not feed, clothe, visit a person it means you are ignoring him or her. In case you are ignoring the person you are ignoring Christ.

Are you NOT ignoring Christ? That is what is written.

Why not read it again with an open mind? To the extent you did not take care of my people is the same extent that you ignored me.

Or your way: To the extent you did not (take care of my people) you did not ignore me.

Am I wrong that The Lord needs nothing? What does he need?

 

[savagewind]

Jesus can not prophesy anything which foretells harm coming to his people.
He might have said that when you ridiculed a least one, and when you caused him shame, if you caused him to leave his profession,those things you did to me. Not didn't do.

Whenever a person is treated badly he can not even imagine the feeling that comes from the love of each other that the sheep show.
Whenever Jesus sees a person being treated badly he stands against the lawbreaker.

That is why the writer wrote it the way it was written. But I am sure he did not write, "not".

To add something to the word changes the meaning. When the meaning is changed the path is redirected.

 

[savagewind]

I do not know what to think about people who believe God can prophesy bad things against God's own people. Do you?

 

[Thief]

I do not know what to think about people who believe God can prophesy bad things against God's own people. Do you?

fair enough...
I read that Moses came down from the mount and had 3,000 of his own people put to the sword

and having just written Thou shalt not kill

with God looking over his shoulder as the words were scribed