I have another question for YOU to ignore

[savagewind]

I believe we see God desiring all kinds of things in Jesus. For instance the desire to gather all Jerusalem to Himself as a hen gathers her chicks.

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matthew 23:37

Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Luke 13:34

longing:ēthelēsa
theló: to will, wish
Original Word: θέλω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: theló
Phonetic Spelling: ( eth-el'-o,)
Short Definition: I will, wish, desire
Definition: I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.

I am willing to gather the children of God to God but they are not willing to be gathered.

 

[savagewind]

What questions won't they answer?
•If the heart is treacherous and a treacherous heart is why a person can't gather to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses why should we believe the hearts of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are not treacherous?
•In the end after Jesus destroys the wicked and the rest of the 144,000 get taken to heaven to be a real 144,000, who will answer people's Bible questions?
•Is Jesus at the table with the JWs?
•If he is then why isn't HE teaching us?
•If he isn't, where is he?
•How does the gb know that the women who were raped supposedly by angels made human were proud to be selected for it?
•How do they know that the crowd at Jesus' trial yelled out blood-thirst when the account might have been prophetic of God's will be done?
•Why is everyone so sure that Jehovah hates? Why is it not possible that scripture which says that Jehovah hates might have been written, hates Jehovah?
•They say, "Jehovah can be found". What are the scriptures which prove that true?
•Why is it not possible that Matthew 28:18-20 really said, "Me having gone therefore, you disciple in every nation....."
.•Why is it written that ABOVE ALL ELSE we should know that ridiculers will come?
•If God is head over all then why can angels make human bodies and sperm and then rape human women? Doesn't it take a miracle to change from spirit to physical?
•The early Christians heard from the Holy Spirit what do say and where to go but the GB does not. Why?
•Why does God say that we should not put our trust in humankind and then give us men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses to obey them?
•Why is contention called abuse?
•Why is it not possible that Revelation 6:2 isn't Jesus pictured? Why would God have written that Jesus is in two places at once?
•Could the opening of the book of life means true understanding of what is already written?
•Why does Matthew 24:4 say, Watch out that no one misleads you. and not, watch out that you might mislead anybody?
•How do people know 144,000 and one thousand years are an absolute value?

 

[savagewind]

• Are Jehovah's Witnesses saying that they have Jehovah?

 

[savagewind]

Here is a question which answer might make a difference how a person lives.

The Lord's prayer, "lead us not into temptation". What does it actually mean?

Can it not mean, "let us not be led to tempt you".? Why not?

I can see people tempting God to act and they consider themselves God's people.

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 24:4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you.
But then he was given all authority. If indeed he has all authority then anyone who would mislead one of his sheep needs his permission.

But as it is true that every person is prone to lying* (Romans 3:4) it would make more sense if he said, "watch yourselves that you do not mislead anyone".

Why not?

*or speaking before knowing.

 

[savagewind]

If Jesus is really the way, the truth, and the life and a disciple's task is to follow him, then if a believer believes just one lie might it cause him to straggle?

 

[savagewind]

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the 144,000 is a precise number of people who shall rule with Christ for an express one thousand years. They all are selected from humankind after Jesus lived. I ask them how do they know that. They use a scripture which says that Jesus made the way for humankind to go to heaven so it follows that nobody went there before Jesus. [And they are eight million strong]. I ask them why can't Jehovah select certain people out of Sheol and bring them to heaven. That is my question.

 

[savagewind]

Why do people believe God needs people to make disciples for Jesus?

 

[savagewind]

If the men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses were not so very bold to declare themselves the faithful and discreet slave would people still obey them?

 

[savagewind]

I keep on hearing that Matthew 28:19 to make really means to teach them to be disciples. I actually agree that it is every disciples job to teach other people how to disciple for Jesus. So I look up the word make and I look up the word teach and they really are not the same word.

• advise
• coach
• demonstrate
• develop
• direct
• explain
• instruct
• lecture
• prepare
• show
• train
• tutor
• brainwash

• brief
• catechizes
• communicate
• cram
• discipline
• drill
• edify
• enlighten
• exercise
• expound
• fit
• form
• grounds
• guide
• illustrate
• imbue
• impart
• implant
• inculcate
• indoctrinate
• inform
• initiate
• interpret
• nurture
• profess
• rear

• school
• sharpen
• break in
• give instruction
• give lessons
• give the facts
• improve mind
• open eyes
• polish up
• pound into
• show the ropes

I do not see make on the list

 

[savagewind]

So then to be sure I look up the word make.

• cause
• compose
• forms
• generate
• manufacture
• prepare
• produce
• accomplish
• adjust
• arrange
• assemble
• beget
• brew

• conceive
• constitute
• construct
• cook
• effect
• engender
• fabricate
• fashion
• forge
• frame
• hatch
• initiate
• invent

• mold
• occasion
• originate
• parent
• procreate
• secure
• shape
• spawn
• synthesize
• whip
• bring about
• cook up
• dash off

• draw on
• dream up
• get ready
• give rise to
• knock off
• lead to
• put together
• tear off
• throw together
• whip out

 

[savagewind]

I believe the Hebrew Scriptures were written for the truth by people who respected Abraham's vision of God's will be done.
If any writer of scripture knew that a world of people would turn their words into idol worship do you think they still would have wrote?

 

[savagewind]

If Jehovah could protect the accuracy of the written word 100% why did Jehovah never think of protecting the originals?

 

[Thief]

tough questions......keep going

 

[moorea944]

If Jehovah could protect the accuracy of the written word 100% why did Jehovah never think of protecting the originals?

Good question. I think Yahweh DID think about that. Look at what was in the ark, Aaron's rod that budded and manna that didnt rot. Those things kept going. But, the orginals didnt last on paper or whatever they were written on, and through the centuries, people copied and corrupted (alittle bit anyhow) scripture. The Monks in the middle ages were commissioned to translated and keep the bible going too. We know through the dead sea scrolls that scripture is pretty much accurate with a few things off. But most of it, hadnt realy changed at all.

But scripture also tells us that we need to search things out too. Study and find out God's Word. To find the truth and hold fast.

 

[savagewind]

We know through the dead sea scrolls that scripture is pretty much accurate with a few things off. But most of it, hadnt realy changed at all.

The Dead Sea scrolls show that what we HAVE has not changed much. We have copies and the Daed Sea Scrolls are copies. I do not concern myself with translations. I know almost nothing about language. I can read English and I can write sufficiently. I debate meaning which I think was changed before the Dead Sea scrolls were written.

But scripture also tells us that we need to search things out too. Study and find out God's Word. To find the truth and hold fast.

Not really.
I believe The Holy Spirit is The Truth. I can behave in such a way as to appeal to The Holy Spirit to hold fast to me. And finding the truth is not so much from study, though study makes one look smarter. It is by meeting together in his name.

 

[moorea944]

The Dead Sea scrolls show that what we HAVE has not changed much. We have copies and the Daed Sea Scrolls are copies. I do not concern myself with translations. I know almost nothing about language. I can read English and I can write sufficiently. I debate meaning which I think was changed before the Dead Sea scrolls were written.

Not really.
I believe The Holy Spirit is The Truth. I can behave in such a way as to appeal to The Holy Spirit to hold fast to me. And finding the truth is not so much from study, though study makes one look smarter. It is by meeting together in his name.

The Dead Sea scrolls show that what we HAVE has not changed much

I agree. They found the whole book of Isaiah along with other books.

Not really. I believe The Holy Spirit is The Truth.

Well, actually yes. God wants us to do that. He wants us to read his word and try to understand it. The bible was written in certain ways for a reason. Literal, symbollic, etc.....
The Holy Spirit is the truth, yes. But that's not what I was talking about.

And finding the truth is not so much from study, though study makes one look smarter.

Huh? lol So by not reading God's Word, you can still find out the truth? How?

It is by meeting together in his name.

Let me see if I understand you... by meeting together in fellowship, you can learn the truth without reading the bible? I"m really not sure what your saying here..... But what if they dont have the truth? What then?

 

[savagewind]

I agree. They found the whole book of Isaiah along with other books.


Well, actually yes. God wants us to do that. He wants us to read his word and try to understand it. The bible was written in certain ways for a reason. Literal, symbollic, etc.....
The Holy Spirit is the truth, yes. But that's not what I was talking about.


Huh? lol So by not reading God's Word, you can still find out the truth? How?


Let me see if I understand you... by meeting together in fellowship, you can learn the truth without reading the bible? I"m really not sure what your saying here..... But what if they dont have the truth? What then?

Thank you for talking to me. Reading and studying are not the same. A person should know what the Bible says. Study means something different.

 

[savagewind]

But what if they dont have the truth? What then?

If they are for Jesus' name they have the truth.

 

[moorea944]

If they are for Jesus' name they have the truth.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Alot of people are for Jesus, not they dont know the truth. They believe in a different Gospel, a different God, etc, etc. .