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[savagewind]

Sorry, but I totally disagree. Alot of people are for Jesus, not they dont know the truth. They believe in a different Gospel, a different God, etc, etc. .

For a person's name is not the same as professing someone. You have to know someone to be for their name.
1 Corinthians 2:2

To be for someone's name is to act for the reputation of that person. A good knowledge of right and wrong is what is needed.

 

[moorea944]

For a person's name is not the same as professing someone. You have to know someone to be for their name.
1 Corinthians 2:2

To be for someone's name is to act for the reputation of that person. A good knowledge of right and wrong is what is needed.

A good knowledge of right and wrong is what is needed.

Exactly!!! To come to the knowledge that is needed, is by reading and understanding God's Word, for us. Back then, God worked through the apostles differently than He does with us. Same with the prophets of old. Plus, we dont have the Holy Spirit gifts anymore, they died out with the apostles. We dont need them now, we have all of God's Words, the bible. Back then, it was just the OT.

 

[savagewind]

Exactly!!! To come to the knowledge that is needed, is by reading and understanding God's Word, for us. Back then, God worked through the apostles differently than He does with us. Same with the prophets of old. Plus, we dont have the Holy Spirit gifts anymore, they died out with the apostles. We dont need them now, we have all of God's Words, the bible. Back then, it was just the OT.

Please! God's Word is NOT the Bible. God's Word existed from the beginning. It is not possible to make sense of much of what you call, "God's Words", it is a book; a book handled by many, many people. Some of them were unclean. You don't suppose they were ALL holy, do you?

People heard from God before anything was ever written down. Now you say God is in a book. I expected more from you. I am sorry.

 

[savagewind]

we have all of God's Words,.

John 16:12

 

[moorea944]

Please! God's Word is NOT the Bible. God's Word existed from the beginning. It is not possible to make sense of much of what you call, "God's Words", it is a book; a book handled by many, many people. Some of them were unclean. You don't suppose they were ALL holy, do you?

People heard from God before anything was ever written down. Now you say God is in a book. I expected more from you. I am sorry.

Please! God's Word is NOT the Bible.

Yes, it is. ALL scripture is inspired by God. I'm not talking about now, when "people or universities" rewrite everything. I'm talking about when God was working "through" people to write the scriptures.

God's Word existed from the beginning.

Yes, I totally agree with that. God's Word existed before our time, creation. Same with Jesus, Jesus was with God at creation in His mind and plans, and then he was born the son of God.

It is not possible to make sense of much of what you call, "God's Words", it is a book;

I disagree. God wrote that for us. To have us understand his Word, truth, His plans and purpose with the earth and us, everything. To understand the Gospel. We dont have apostles anymore, we dont have the Holy Spirit gifts anymore. We dont need them, we have the bible.

a book handled by many, many people. Some of them were unclean. You don't suppose they were ALL holy, do you?

Yes, through the ages of copying the bible, some were unclean. God was not working with them to "write" the bible. Only certain ones in the beginning, like.. Moses, David, Solomon, the prophets, Mathew, Mark, etc..... God worked through them.

People heard from God before anything was ever written down.

Yes, of course. I agree.

Now you say God is in a book.

That is the book that God wants us to have, yes. All scripture is inspired by God. He told certain people that He chose to write these books. I'm surprised that you dont understand that..... Without scripture, how can we know and understand God's Word? How can we learn about His plan and purpose with us and the earth?

 

[moorea944]

John 16:12

Ok, when I said, "we have all of God's Words", I meant that we have all of God's Words that He wants us to have. For now.... There are so many things that he hasnt told us. Even the angels look into. When his son returns to earth and the kingdom age starts, we will know more.

 

[savagewind]

Ok, when I said, "we have all of God's Words", I meant that we have all of God's Words that He wants us to have. For now.... There are so many things that he hasnt told us. Even the angels look into. When his son returns to earth and the kingdom age starts, we will know more.

Matthew 28:20
Matthew 18:20
Acts of the Apostles 18:10
John 14:26

You say we do not have the GIFTS of the Holy Spirit any more. First of all, that is your understanding of the translation. Secondly, to not have the gifts given does not mean we can not have the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:7 For the future only?

James 3:17 For the future only?

James 1:5 Does the answer come only from study? See John 5:39

 

[savagewind]

According to YOU (any reader) is Holy Scripture for proving yourself righteous?

Or perhaps, is it for a warning that others who think themselves righteous are not?

 

[moorea944]

Matthew 28:20
Matthew 18:20
Acts of the Apostles 18:10
John 14:26

You say we do not have the GIFTS of the Holy Spirit any more. First of all, that is your understanding of the translation. Secondly, to not have the gifts given does not mean we can not have the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 7:7 For the future only?

James 3:17 For the future only?

James 1:5 Does the answer come only from study? See John 5:39

IT's almost like your just throwing verses out there and not realy understanding the content.
Yes, we have "God's Spirit" in us. Scripture tells us that. If God every "withdrew" His Spirit from the earth, we would all die.
Now,..... getting back to the Holy Spirit "gifts". We do not have them today. When was the last time you saw a pastor, priest, minister raise the dead? Or heal the blind, or made the lame man walk again. That is what my point was all about.

Your verses are wonderful and I thank you for that. But some of those verses had nothing to do with what I was saying....

 

[savagewind]

IT's almost like your just throwing verses out there and not realy understanding the content.
Yes, we have "God's Spirit" in us. Scripture tells us that. If God every "withdrew" His Spirit from the earth, we would all die.
Now,..... getting back to the Holy Spirit "gifts". We do not have them today. When was the last time you saw a pastor, priest, minister raise the dead? Or heal the blind, or made the lame man walk again. That is what my point was all about.

Your verses are wonderful and I thank you for that. But some of those verses had nothing to do with what I was saying....

I think they all apply because you seem to say that in the future we will know all the other things that Jesus can teach us. In the future, "when he returns".
But scriptures say he is here. Can he not teach us? Why are you waiting?

I understand 1 Corinthians 13:8. Is it what you mean?
I know that people are trusting in their own righteousness. Gifts of the Holy Spirit will not work through them.

 

[moorea944]

I think they all apply because you seem to say that in the future we will know all the other things that Jesus can teach us. In the future, "when he returns".
But scriptures say he is here. Can he not teach us? Why are you waiting?

I understand 1 Corinthians 13:8. Is it what you mean?
I know that people are trusting in their own righteousness. Gifts of the Holy Spirit will not work through them.

I think they all apply because you seem to say that in the future we will know all the other things that Jesus can teach us. In the future, "when he returns".

Yes, absolutely. Esp. if we are accepted into the Kingdom and made immortal.
Only God knows everything. Angels are still learning as we are.

But scriptures say he is here. Can he not teach us? Why are you waiting?

Scripture tells us that he's here now? No it doesnt. Mathew 28 does not tell us that he is physically here. Maybe in our minds or his angels are helping us. Maybe spiritually, but not physically.

Bible also tells us that when he does come back, the first thing he does with his angels is raise the dead and judge. So many things happen when christ returns like, Israel is retored again, battle of Armagedon with Russia and Middle East attacking Israel. The kingdom of men being destroyed. So many things need to happen at his return. Plus, we will know when he comes too.

 

[savagewind]

Isaiah 41:10
Deuteronomy 20:1
Deuteronomy 31:6
Isaiah 41:13

Then God was with them. I have to assume that the God can communicate.
If I have a question I may have an answer. Or must I wait for Jesus' return?

How do you know that scriptures about his return are about the Earth and not about each person putting faith in him?

ps I do not believe I will ever see Jesus physically. I shall shed my bones and my skin and hopefully I will be like him and be with him. But he helps me now. I can't even say how I feel about people who believe he can not help us now.

 

[savagewind]

How do you think a person feels whose will is not to have offspring but who hears about the god who will come bless the offspring of his offspring of his offspring of his offspring...........?

 

[savagewind]

If an organization claiming cleanliness in front of Jehovah accepted a donation from a wealthy person who believed it to be the anti-christ, would the money affect the organization's standing with Jehovah?

 

[moorea944]

Isaiah 41:10
Deuteronomy 20:1
Deuteronomy 31:6
Isaiah 41:13

Then God was with them. I have to assume that the God can communicate.
If I have a question I may have an answer. Or must I wait for Jesus' return?

How do you know that scriptures about his return are about the Earth and not about each person putting faith in him?

ps I do not believe I will ever see Jesus physically. I shall shed my bones and my skin and hopefully I will be like him and be with him. But he helps me now. I can't even say how I feel about people who believe he can not help us now.

I'm not saying he cant help us now..... Never said that. I believe he can help us now. Same with GOD and same with the angels.

 

[moorea944]

Isaiah 41:10
Deuteronomy 20:1
Deuteronomy 31:6
Isaiah 41:13

Then God was with them. I have to assume that the God can communicate.
If I have a question I may have an answer. Or must I wait for Jesus' return?

How do you know that scriptures about his return are about the Earth and not about each person putting faith in him?

ps I do not believe I will ever see Jesus physically. I shall shed my bones and my skin and hopefully I will be like him and be with him. But he helps me now. I can't even say how I feel about people who believe he can not help us now.

Then God was with them. I have to assume that the God can communicate.

Of course God can communicate. God wasnt there physically, they would die. No man can see God at anytime and live. God works through His angels dont forget. They are the fingers of God.

If I have a question I may have an answer. Or must I wait for Jesus' return?

Not quit sure what you mean by that...... Why would you have to wait?

How do you know that scriptures about his return are about the Earth and not about each person putting faith in him?

Because scripture is quit clear on this subject. Christ is returning to earth. That is all through scripture. You dont see that? I'm surprised...

ps I do not believe I will ever see Jesus physically.

That's too bad. Scripture tells us that you will.

I shall shed my bones and my skin and hopefully I will be like him and be with him.

That wont happen until he comes back and changes us to immortal beings. The saints of the Most High. We will reign with him for a thousands years, then he hands over the kingdom to his father. Just like scripture tells us.

But he helps me now.

I agree. He helps me too. But it doesnt mean he's back on earth....

I can't even say how I feel about people who believe he can not help us now

I know what you mean. It's a shame....

 

[savagewind]

I'm not saying he cant help us now..... Never said that. I believe he can help us now. Same with GOD and same with the angels.

Can questions be answered NOW?

Is it true you ever said, "Make disciples"? Can Jesus answer that question?

If Jesus can't tell us what is true and what isn't in the Modern Bible, what help does he give a person, according to you?

 

[savagewind]

Because scripture is quit clear on this subject. Christ is returning to earth. That is all through scripture. You dont see that? I'm surprised...
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What do you mean? He is here to help us, so he is present, but he is returning. Tell me about that please.

 

[savagewind]

Scripture says humans will see Jesus again coming physically, like a human. Do you believe that?
Stephen saw him standing by God's throne. Was he physical then also?

 

[savagewind]

That wont happen until he comes back and changes us to immortal beings. The saints of the Most High. We will reign with him for a thousands years, then he hands over the kingdom to his father. Just like scripture tells us.

I believe this. Do I need to believe it is a definite one thousand years? Why or why not?