To prophesy is to speak words about what will happen in the future.
So to fit that pov God would have foretold their disobedience.
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So to fit that pov God would have foretold their disobedience.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
the def I hold.....to speak of God is to be a prophet
a broader definition......yes
but to speak of God at all.....will hold the future is the mention of such
knowing of God induces preparation for the event of meeting Him
When God speaks of what will happen what God says can't not happen.
I agree.
An illustration. THEY say God had a prophet write about people who would mock believing. So someone must play the role of ridiculers with their ridicule. The people who come to make fun of people who believe are obeying prophecy.
So I guess I want to know why God would write a story like that.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I won't go as far as to say they ...obey....the prophecy
I would say their denial was(is) predictable
If their denial is predictable then why is God's will what it is?
No. It is not what I mean. I hear it is God's will that all people repent and to knowledge come. So who are the ones who insult belief?
I do not believe it was what the prophet wrote.
I think the scripture is about people who have belief but live it according to their own desire. That would be a warning FOR God's people and not a prophecy against God's people.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
coincidence.....I heard a radio preacher say much the same just a few days ago....but....
it may be God's DESIRE that we obey
but no one is performing God's will by disobeying God's wll
Thank you for sharing that. The reason why I am personally certain it isn't about who they say it is is because it begins with "above all else know".
I do not think I ever said that anyone is performing God's will by disobeying God's will.
I do not imagine God has desire.
I believe God has will but I do not describe it as desire.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
scratching desire from His list.....leaves intent
that would be more severe
if God INTENDS for us to obey His will......and we willfully refuse....
oh, oh.....
Yes. Oh, oh
It is obvious to me that people believe they are being told by God through the Bible that to teach the Kingdom of God means to teach law.
Do I have this right?
Do I have this right?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
the radical Muslims appear to hold such as true
I hear they are more than casually insistent
It is being advertised that Jesus said, "if you love me you will obey my commands." Though most bibles says "keep" my commands.
I do not know that Jesus commanded anything. Other than what I believe is an error in translation at Matthew 28:19 I am not aware of a Jesus command. Are YOU?
Some people will say, "forget John." and my question is born in John but I do not give that opinion credence.
Might he have written instead, "if you love me you will stay by my words."?
Bad associations spoil useful habits. Jesus' words can be considered good associations imo and to stay by them will strengthen good habits. Could it be what the writer of John meant?
If it is, then to stand by any changed words is what, please?
I do not know that Jesus commanded anything. Other than what I believe is an error in translation at Matthew 28:19 I am not aware of a Jesus command. Are YOU?
Some people will say, "forget John." and my question is born in John but I do not give that opinion credence.
Might he have written instead, "if you love me you will stay by my words."?
Bad associations spoil useful habits. Jesus' words can be considered good associations imo and to stay by them will strengthen good habits. Could it be what the writer of John meant?
If it is, then to stand by any changed words is what, please?
What is the worst bad association?
According to some modern teachers of Christ the worst bad associations are not people who sin against the law but are people who teach against popular opinion.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do not believe that is the case. I believe we see God desiring all kinds of things in Jesus. For instance the desire to gather all Jerusalem to Himself as a hen gathers her chicks.
Desire: the strong feeling of wanting something.
God can have anything God wants. How is this not true?
Wanting can only happen along with deficiency imo. To teach that God wants is to teach that God is deficient somehow.