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savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I tell them that what they are teaching from the Bible is not what was written and they say we can't know that.

And, I agree that it is a difficult thing to turn your backs on tradition.

But, most people will stick to what they think they know and, is that a bad thing?

It is whenever they spread it!

If they realize that there is no way of knowing if what they teach is really the truth then why are they spreading it like seeds?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
If they realize that there is no way of knowing if what they teach is really the truth then why are they spreading it like seeds?


I put that kind of behavior mostly down to the ego or psychological self. Basically, the more people they convert to their way of thinking -- whether that way be right or wrong -- the better they think about themselves.

Besides, we humans are social animals. We like others to believe as we believe. Although, in the process of getting others to believe like we believe, the truth is too often the last thing we're really concerned with.

But whatever the reasons for it, you see the same behavior in all aspects of our lives. Folks proselytize more than religious beliefs.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Can you expand?

I'm spreading seeds because I'm suppose to. :)
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I tell them that what they are teaching from the Bible is not what was written and they say we can't know that.

And, I agree that it is a difficult thing to turn your backs on tradition.

But, most people will stick to what they think they know and, is that a bad thing?

It is whenever they spread it!

If they realize that there is no way of knowing if what they teach is really the truth then why are they spreading it like seeds?

I believe it comes down to our true identity. Who actually are we? Most of what we think we know is pure speculation. If we have finite minds with limitations how can we know anything for sure as we may be wrong?

I think we cannot rely on any form of human knowledge for certitude because it is unreliable.

The only form of knowledge which would be 100% accurate and true would have to come from an All Kniwing and Perfect Being not any human.

Only Divine Knowledge can possibly give us true clarity and help us to see truth as truth and not conjecture as truth.

Where do we obtain this Divine Knowledge and from Whom?

Through history there have appeared Perfect Beings with perfect innate knowledge Who have offered us true knowledge. These are Perfect and All Knowing Beings sent by God to aid and assist us to know truth.

You may know some of them. Christ, Buddha, Moses, Muhammad, Zoroaster and Baha’u’llah. They were all infallible Beings and you can clearly see that if you study Their Lives and Teachings.

Every person has within them the ability to sense true perfection so when These Holy Beings appears people have a spiritual sense within them that can detect Their Station as Perfect Beings.

We all have eyesight but the thin eyelid can close the world to us. So too our spiritual insight can be veiled by the eyelid of self and ego and we fail to see Their Glory and learn from Them.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I put that kind of behavior mostly down to the ego or psychological self. Basically, the more people they convert to their way of thinking -- whether that way be right or wrong -- the better they think about themselves.

Besides, we humans are social animals. We like others to believe as we believe. Although, in the process of getting others to believe like we believe, the truth is too often the last thing we're really concerned with.

But whatever the reasons for it, you see the same behavior in all aspects of our lives. Folks proselytize more than religious beliefs.

Exactly. I have found many people are more interested in being right as opposed to knowing the truth. They tend to circle the wagons.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Folks proselytize more than religious beliefs.

When I was in college many decades ago, I decided Adele Davis' books on nutrition was "gospel" truth. Any time someone mentioned anything physical, I found the passage in one of her books that said this or that vitamin or mineral would cure that problem and preached that truth. So, yes, I've been there and done that.

I'm spreading seeds because I'm suppose to.
Preaching is one thing. Walking the talk is something quite different. In this era, it's hard to know what story is real but assuming this is real, it's what I mean by walking the talk Woman goes nuclear, completely loses it on pro-life demonstrator. His reaction is amazing.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I tell them that what they are teaching from the Bible is not what was written and they say we can't know that.

And, I agree that it is a difficult thing to turn your backs on tradition.

But, most people will stick to what they think they know and, is that a bad thing?

It is whenever they spread it!

If they realize that there is no way of knowing if what they teach is really the truth then why are they spreading it like seeds?

Probably so they can feel important.

The desire to guide others. To have folks look to you for the answers to life. You can be seen as wise and knowing.

Also, just a desire to help folks. It may not be the right answer but it is an answer.

I like the Quaker view to the Bible. Allow each individual to search for and express their own understanding.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Can you expand?

I'm spreading seeds because I'm suppose to. :)
Jesus only ever spoke what was true and what led anyone in the right direction. That is what I believe. All the other holy ones did similarly and it is why Jesus calls them brothers.
To spread anything that you can't defend is unwise and the risk is that you might be spreading lies.

Matthew 13:24-30
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Jesus only ever spoke what was true and what led anyone in the right direction. That is what I believe. All the other holy ones did similarly and it is why Jesus calls them brothers.
To spread anything that you can't defend is unwise and the risk is that you might be spreading lies.

Matthew 13:24-30
I think that is an acceptable position to take. :)
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think that dividing people into two groups by how they treat Jesus' brothers proves to me that it is more important that a person receives and responds to the good news of the kingdom than it is to "make disciples" like they say it is God's will to do. I have asked them to defend that belief but all they say is that to teach means to make disciples. I fear that their teaching it thusly is a bad seed. They do not care for the brother of Jesus who wrote Matthew 24:19 because they changed the meaning of it.

Teaching someone does not make them teachers. Everyone knows that, but they will spread the lie anyway.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't think it is about being personable. I think that if you are claiming to be for the way, the truth, and the life you should also believe that it is unconscionable to spread anything but the truth.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I just like sharing stories - telling and hearing. I'm not particularly concerned with the so-called truth of things, generally speaking. The stories people tell themselves and others are their truths, with all the inherent contradictions thereof. It's what they believe to be the case and in accordance with how they see reality. We've all got different takes on what is the case and what the world is really like. I find that interesting to explore and share.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I just like sharing stories - telling and hearing. I'm not particularly concerned with the so-called truth of things, generally speaking. The stories people tell themselves and others are their truths, with all the inherent contradictions thereof. It's what they believe to be the case and in accordance with how they see reality. We've all got different takes on what is the case and what the world is really like. I find that interesting to explore and share.
I agree with you. But it is about them saying, "God says" or "Matthew wrote". Then, it isn't a story.
 
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