Yes, but I'm wondering as to the mechanics. Is it God's mental will power that's keeping it all together?
Like a transfer of energy or spirit? Some other substance?
I'd imagine to maintain something requires an action/activity of some sort.
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I have no use for God
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Yes, but I'm wondering as to the mechanics. Is it God's mental will power that's keeping it all together?
Like a transfer of energy or spirit? Some other substance?
I'd imagine to maintain something requires an action/activity of some sort.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Please don't start doing metaphysics. In practice stick with methodological naturalism.
stvdv
Veteran Member
True, and indeed it helps to see things in perspective. And if it gets too much (unbearable), I have always the option to quit early
RestlessSoul
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Well if someone were to say to you they have a message for all mankind, conveyed to them by that which is deeply hidden, it’s only reasonable that you should be sceptical.
That said, would you listen to the message anyway, and weigh it’s value on your own terms, or would you dismiss it out of hand because you doubt the source?
vulcanlogician
Well-Known Member
No. I'd listen.
I have been listening. Or trying to listen. I might not have been listening to my best ability, but I've tried to listen. Can any of us claim more?
Possibly, Jesus said some objectively true things about morality (or "how best to treat another person") in his Sermon on the Mount.
But maybe not. IDK. Maybe I haven't made a sufficient effort to listen to Jesus, but I don't think I have dismissed him out of hand. But maybe I have. I suppose it depends on your standards.
Not accepting Jesus words from the git-go (without even trying to understand them first) may count as dismissal in your view. If that's the case, guilty as charged.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Divine energy is my guess. God created the universe from something, I suspect it was his own energy that formed into matter. He holds it all together by his word.
"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of his nature, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high."
Hebrews 1:3.
Please don't start doing metaphysics. In practice stick with methodological naturalism.
Not me. I'm just curious about how other people see the universe working.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Now here is a fun one. It is not solipsism, but some people treat it like it is.
You are in the world as a part of the world, you are neither everything nor nothing.
The world to you are different experiences and result in different ways you can act and can't act for different versions of act.
That is the short dirty version of in the end a version of how to do science. But currently we use another involving that we know what objective reality is.
That objective reality is physical or from God, is no different because both are without evidence. So you have given up on God, so have I in a sense. But I have also given up on the belief that objective reality is physical.
I use the concept of God as a personal crutch, but I keep it personal. For the everyday world I use science and philosophy and don't claim objective authority over anything including myself.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
- Reminds me of the person with a life sentence for murdering 26 people when his mother said "If you don't kill you will have a good life and you will not go to prison and suffer". And then, after killing, the murderer said, "It's the judges fault".
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, we are all murders as relevant for all humans and we all go to Hell. It is a very limited example and it has nothing to do with God, unless you believe in God as a judge.
No... If there is a Hell, we all don't go there. I don't see why it has nothing to do with God unless one believes there is no God. If there is a God, I don't see why He wouldn't be a judge of hearts.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As an ex-Christian and survivor of childhood abuse, I share your sentiments about not needing God in your life. He serves absolutely no purpose in my life either, and I know that I'm much better off without him. I firmly believe this because of all the years of abuse, neglect, bullying, and harassment I experienced growing up. I've had to deal with PTSD for years as an adult because of all the trauma and violence I endured while growing up I survived 12 years of constant bullying and harassment at school and 13 and a half years of abuse and neglect at home. I genuinely believed in God in the midst of all the abuse and bullying I suffered. I would fervently pray to God, begging him to save and protect me, but despite all my desperate cries to him, I was still subjected to years of abuse, neglect, bullying, and harassment until I was 18. I saved myself from abuse when I confronted my abusers and God had nothing to do with it.
I now identify as a polytheist and Wiccan, but I don't allow my spiritual beliefs to control how I live. I don't bow down to any of the gods out of fear of incurring their wrath and being condemned to eternal torment in hell because I "sinned" against them and didn't grovel at their feet to confess my transgressions against them and beg for their forgiveness. I don't feel pressured to worship a particular god or goddess, nor do I feel pressured to always live morally upright in order to placate a very vengeful and jealous God who threatens to damn me to hell and torment me for all eternity if I don't ask for his forgiveness and follow his rules. I don't feel intimidated by any deities, nor do I fear the wrath of any deities. I don't rely on any god to take care of my health, the health of my loved ones and friends, or to keep my family and I safe from harm. I don't ask any gods for anything, nor do I ask them to watch over me or take care of my needs. I can look after myself and my family without the help of any gods. In truth, I keep these gods and my spiritual beliefs at arm's length. I can honestly attest that my life is so much better now that I am no longer a Christian. I have peace in my heart now, which I didn't have during the years I was a genuine believer in God, which includes 30 years as a devout Christian.
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TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Right, because not believing something on bad evidence is comparable to murdering 26 people.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but that is only relevant for those who believe in God, but if your behaviour in the
I hear you and feel for you.
I was never abused by religion. By problem is that I am neurodiverse and try to live up to the normal version a good, healthy and productive life. In fact society at times caused me harm by trying to force me to become neurotypical.
So you don't believe in gods. I don't as me believe in the normal version of a good, healthy and productive life.
I see a lot of assumptions here.
Bad evidence is a perspective - common sense simply says "Wrong is still wrong and justice is still justice".
Can you imagine what this world would be like if there was no justice?
As I stated.
But disbelieve in a round world doesn't mean the world isn't round.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
You confuse the fact there are judge in world, but @Nakosis is not a murder, with your judge God as an opinion. That is why your example doesn't work.
I'm not sure where you get that @Nakosis is a murderer. And of course there are earthly judges (as God prescribed)
Do you read into posts what isn't there?
But I will remain that God is still the judge with mercy as HIs motivation.