I have two questions about monkeys and evolution

[YoursTrue]

Based on what evidence? Why would you not go along with taxonomy? Even if one were religious why wouldn't they say God took Mammals, moved them through the various groups to get to human. We can still be genetically related to apes, be mammals (do you not think we are mammals?) but be the final product of some God. In fiction, but you could think that and at least it would make sense?
The other option is we were created special BUT we have 98% of the same DNA? We have endocrine systems that match cattle? Trenbolone is a drug for cattle to build muscle. It's now used by all top bodybuilders. Our endocrine system recognizes it and even converts it to progesterone (like all 19-nor androgens).

I don't want to make this too long --
Every animal and plant has its unique ability. Certainly animals and (yes, and) humans need water and plants to continue living. And it is reasonable to believe that God used the building blocks (DNA). Not evolution as commonly taught. So do I think lifeforms came about by "natural selection"? No.
The theory itself does not bode well with -- the theory. What I mean is that timelines show different forms of fossils, some of which are of extinct animals, but that does not prove evolution. The idea that there are different branches, so to speak, of that which stems from the first few supposed molecules emitting energy of life growing and leading to even more complex forms is not something that adds up to me anymore. While I certainly don't understand everything about life, I find the complexity and wonderous things around me are manifestations of a superior intelligence. I find the following statement helpful in me sorting it out: (Romans 9:20: "But who are you, O man, to be answering back to God? Does the thing molded say to its molder: “Why did you make me this way?”

 

[YoursTrue]

Great, you have discovered a quick way to de-evolve your mind to think like a person from the Middle Ages. Let's just use our eyes and go by the obvious. We don't look like apes so we must not be apes. In fact you can't see germs and viruses. How could they hurt you?
Great, enjoy. Learned folks can see that the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) slowly approaches human as we go through the timeline of the great apes (The Hominidae). When you get to H. heidelbergensis it's almost identical far beyond 99%. Or Homo rhodesiensis a new possible sub-species between the 2.

Family Hominidae

• Subfamily Ponginae[28]
  • Tribe Lufengpithecini †
    • Lufengpithecus
      • Ank

Hominidae - Wikipedia. long list of Hominidae up to human






There is a common ancestor at the start of each group. The further down each group you go the less it "looks" like humans. Once you get down to Animalia the organism is:
are multicellular, eukaryotic organisms in the biological kingdom Animalia. With few exceptions, animals consume organic material, breathe oxygen, are able to move, can reproduce sexually, and go through an ontogenetic stage in which their body consists of a hollow sphere of cells, the blastula, during embryonic development.

Belief in evolution or gravity or quantum mechanics is not relevant. Scientists are finding out the way the world and universe work. Unlocking some evolutionary secrets has helped medical science and medicine make huge leaps, in many ways. Understanding pathogens and all types of disease pathology related to evolution, cause and treatment. Because it's true. The recent virus also evolved.
You can believe you were made of magic juice by a spirit and trends in medical science that have used evolution to unlock better cures will still work if you want them.
Or you could keep that energy and just pray.

LOL, don't put down the middle ages. We ain't so far gone in advancement, with all the wars, violence, and man's inhumanity to man. Perhaps you think that comes about by natural selection of, um, that which is called 'homo sapiens'? I no longer do. True that in the Middle Ages there were no kidney transplants, but I always like the account of poor and dear Dr. Semmelweis, perhaps you have heard of him? The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Lives : Shots - Health News : NPR
It might interest you to know that Moses wrote about cleanliness and not touching that which was considered unclean, including bodies, and quarantining oneself, a long time before that. Meantime, I look forward to seeing Dr. Semmelweis in the resurrection. Since life is regardless of proposition, somewhat of a miracle, no matter how you look at it, the resurrection in my opinion is not unreasonable. But of course, death is the thing that separates us from God right now in the 'absolute' sense. Take care.
"According to the Mosaic Law, which dates to the 16th century B.C.E., anyone touching a corpse became unclean for seven days and had to undergo a cleansing procedure that included bathing and washing his garments. During this time, the person was to avoid physical contact with others.—Numbers 19:11-22."
(Dr. Semmelweis was a modern promoter of this, although despised by his fellow scientists until later...)
Ignaz Semmelweis — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY (jw.org)

 

[metis]

As I said, and until shown otherwise, I no longer believe the "theory of evolution." Now some will say it's not theory but fact.

"Theory", as used within science, is not something one believes in or disbelieves in-- either one accepts that reality or they reject that reality. We know with certainty that life forms tend to evolve over time-- it really is that simple.

 

[YoursTrue]

"Theory", as used within science, is not something one believes in or disbelieves in-- either one accepts that reality or they reject that reality. We know with certainty that life forms tend to evolve over time-- it really is that simple.

I am not including genetic distribution such as blue or brown eyes, or color of skin in the theory of evolution. Just to let you know where I am drawing the line, based on what the Bible tells me about the creative process by God, who clearly prepared the earth for life as we see life. Naturally mankind is quite demolishing things, yet again, the stupendousness of life convinces me that there is a Creator (in charge).

 

[Astrophile]

I was just looking at the news. There was a pretty (dare I use the word?) reporter. I tried imagining her with dark hair all over her body, and facial features like gorillas and chimpanzees. It was more than difficult to think of her with hands, facial features and dark hair all over her as if she might be a monkey, gorilla, or something like that. Nope. Sorry.

If somebody tells you that an ostrich is a bird, do you try to imagine it flying through the air or perching in trees or on telephone wires? If not, why do you imagine that a human ape should have dark hair all over his or her body or have facial features like gorillas and chimpanzees?

 

[YoursTrue]

If somebody tells you that an ostrich is a bird, do you try to imagine it flying through the air or perching in trees or on telephone wires? If not, why do you imagine that a human ape should have dark hair all over his or her body or have facial features like gorillas and chimpanzees?

Can you tell me why humans do not have hair all over their bodies and face like gorillas and bonobos do? Without guessing? Missing chromosomes? Where are the intermediaries? Hair? No hair? They disappeared perhaps?

 

[nPeace]

If somebody tells you that an ostrich is a bird, do you try to imagine it flying through the air or perching in trees or on telephone wires? If not, why do you imagine that a human ape should have dark hair all over his or her body or have facial features like gorillas and chimpanzees?

At least they didn't call the ostrich a falcon.
Wow. The reasoning Atheist put forth as arguments kills me dead.

 

[nPeace]

@YoursTrue can you imagine! Calling a human an ape, is like calling an ostrich a bird!
@YoursTrue I think being a scientist and not accepting these ideas must be hard for them. I think though, they just do their work and stay away from the ideas believed so strongly by others.
They are ridiculed, I'm sure, but it must be a job they love.
Sad though... imo.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@YoursTrue can you imagine! Calling a human an ape, is like calling an ostrich a bird!

Wait, I may have not understood your post. Are you claiming that an ostrich is not a bird?

 

[Subduction Zone]

At least they didn't call the ostrich a falcon.
Wow. The reasoning Atheist put forth as arguments kills me dead.

Then you may not be reasoning. That was a perfectly good argument. Now in your next one you imply that an ostrich is not a bird. Or at least that is what it looks like.

Why does the fact that you are an ape bother you so much?

 

[YoursTrue]

"Theory", as used within science, is not something one believes in or disbelieves in-- either one accepts that reality or they reject that reality. We know with certainty that life forms tend to evolve over time-- it really is that simple.

We do? I'm not saying God did not put together the necessary ingredients for the essentials (building blocks). But frankly I don't think He started it and then let things grow as maybe here, maybe there, etc. Not only do I think there was a plan, I think God set the boundaries of differences between fishes, let's say, and -- lions and more so.

 

[metis]

I am not including genetic distribution such as blue or brown eyes, or color of skin in the theory of evolution.

But that is part of what "evolution" means and implies.

Just to let you know where I am drawing the line, based on what the Bible tells me about the creative process by God, who clearly prepared the earth for life as we see life.

The Bible is not a science book based on objectively-derived evidence, plus as been stated ad nauseum, the ToE in no way contradicts Divine creation or the Bible itself.

Naturally mankind is quite demolishing things, yet again, the stupendousness of life convinces me that there is a Creator (in charge).

Ultimately yes, thus the only question for us theists is what the process may entail? Again and again and again, the ToE does not negate Divine creation-- period.

 

[nPeace]

We do? I'm not saying God did not put together the necessary ingredients for the essentials (building blocks). But frankly I don't think He started it and then let things grow as maybe here, maybe there, etc. Not only do I think there was a plan, I think God set the boundaries of differences between fishes, let's say, and -- lions and more so.

between fishes, let's say, and -- lions cats and so...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you tell me why humans do not have hair all over their bodies and face like gorillas and bonobos do? Without guessing? Missing chromosomes? Where are the intermediaries? Hair? No hair? They disappeared perhaps?

We actually have roughly as many hairs as other apes do. The difference is that our hair is finer and shorter, but the hair is still there. Why, it is almost as if tiny changes over many generations slowly reduced the amount of resources consumed to produce a trait that is no longer needed. I wonder if there is a word for that

And there are human atavisms. Versions where particular genes were shut off became turned back on.

The Wolf People: The Curse of the Hair

 

[metis]

We do? I'm not saying God did not put together the necessary ingredients for the essentials (building blocks). But frankly I don't think He started it and then let things grow as maybe here, maybe there, etc. Not only do I think there was a plan, I think God set the boundaries of differences between fishes, let's say, and -- lions and more so.

If that were to be the case, how does one explain miscarriages and serious birth defects? How does one explain why people die from hurricanes, tsunamis, etc.?

The Genesis 1:1 account says God saw that it was "good", but He didn't say it was "perfect".

 

[ChristineM]

@YoursTrue can you imagine! Calling a human an ape, is like calling an ostrich a bird!

Eh?

@YoursTrue I think being a scientist and not accepting these ideas must be hard for them. I think though, they just do their work and stay away from the ideas believed so strongly by others.
They are ridiculed, I'm sure, but it must be a job they love.
Sad though... imo.

Why?

Have you asked or are you just guessing based on confirmation bias?

 

[metis]

We actually have roughly as many hairs as other apes do. The difference is that our hair is finer and shorter, but the hair is still there. Why, it is almost as if tiny changes over many generations slowly reduced the amount of resources consumed to produce a trait that is no longer needed. I wonder if there is a word for that

And there are human atavisms. Versions where particular genes were shut off became turned back on.

The Wolf People: The Curse of the Hair

Yep, and I had a student whose brother had a tail at birth. We sometimes refer to such as being "evolutionary throwbacks".

 

[nPeace]

We do? I'm not saying God did not put together the necessary ingredients for the essentials (building blocks). But frankly I don't think He started it and then let things grow as maybe here, maybe there, etc. Not only do I think there was a plan, I think God set the boundaries of differences between fishes, let's say, and -- lions and more so.

Don't you find it interesting that evolution believers talk about the imagined possibilities, and never talk about the real barriers?
Have you ever heard of these 'apes' mating... Ahem. Let me clarify. What human mates with apes?

We have ligers and tiglons, but we don't have humapes and apeman.
We get hybrids that cannot reproduce in many species. How does evolution proceed according to imagined possibilities, beyond such barriers?

 

[nPeace]

Eh?




Why?

Have you asked or are you just guessing based on confirmation bias?

No. I know scientist who do not believe those ideas, and there are those who outright reject the whole idea... and voice it.

 

[metis]

Have you ever heard of these 'apes' mating... Ahem. Let me clarify. What human mates with apes?

We are of different species, so?