I have two questions about monkeys and evolution

[Astrophile]

Can you tell me why humans do not have hair all over their bodies and face like gorillas and bonobos do? Without guessing? Missing chromosomes? Where are the intermediaries? Hair? No hair? They disappeared perhaps?

I don't have hair all over my face because I shave every day. However, this is not true of all men.

More seriously, our ancestors may have evolved to lose their body hair so as to be able to lose heat by sweating when pursuing prey animals over long distances.

 

[ChristineM]

No. I know scientist who do not believe those ideas, and there are those who outright reject the whole idea... and voice it.

Creation research does not count as science.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't you find it interesting that evolution believers talk about the imagined possibilities, and never talk about the real barriers?
Have you ever heard of these 'apes' mating... Ahem. Let me clarify. What human mates with apes?

We have ligers and tiglons, but we don't have humapes and apeman.
We get hybrids that cannot reproduce in many species. How does evolution proceed according to imagined possibilities, beyond such barriers?

Wow, I have never heard of chimpanzees mating with Gorillas or either of them with orangutans. I guess that means none of them are great apes.

Such is creationist "logic".

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. I know scientist who do not believe those ideas, and there are those who outright reject the whole idea... and voice it.

An ignorant or superstitious opinion is not a scientific one. Why do most creationist sites require their workers to swear to not follow the scientific method?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Creation research does not count as science.

Pretty hard to be. As I said, most such sites require their members to not follow the scientific method. It is hard to do science when you promise to not do science.

 

[Astrophile]

Can you tell me why humans do not have hair all over their bodies and face like gorillas and bonobos do? Without guessing? Missing chromosomes? Where are the intermediaries? Hair? No hair? They disappeared perhaps?

I do not have hair all over my face because I shave every day. However, this is not true of all men.

More seriously, our ancestors may have evolved to lose their body hair in order to be able to lose heat by sweating when pursuing prey animals over long distances.

 

[ppp]

Can you tell me why humans do not have hair all over their bodies and face like gorillas and bonobos do? Without guessing? Missing chromosomes? Where are the intermediaries? Hair? No hair? They disappeared perhaps?

We do have hair all over our bodies. And we cannot have faces like gorillas and bonobos because they each have different types of faces.

Also hypertrichosis is a condition where long hair grows all over a person's body. Most of the causes are indeed genetic.

Why do you ask questions that don't matter one whit to your uninformed opinion of evolution?

 

[YoursTrue]

And yet there is. Methinks the problem is you reject the evidence by claiming it’s not evidence.

I don't have to claim it. It's not evidence. It's evidence to those who want to believe that things came about by natural selection rather than by the grand designer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have to claim it. It's not evidence. It's evidence to those who want to believe that things came about by natural selection rather than by the grand designer.

We went over this. It is evidence. You had to admit it.

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not have hair all over my face because I shave every day. However, this is not true of all men.

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More seriously, our ancestors may have evolved to lose their body hair in order to be able to lose heat by sweating when pursuing prey animals over long distances.

I was getting worried thinking that gorillas don't grow such long beards. As for sweating and losing body hair, I don't think so. Anyway I don't think gorillas are in cold climates or run around pursuing food too much but then...even if they did, oh well.

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not have hair all over my face because I shave every day. However, this is not true of all men.

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More seriously, our ancestors may have evolved to lose their body hair in order to be able to lose heat by sweating when pursuing prey animals over long distances.

Oh yes the man in the picture trims his beard. Looks like. Gorillas do not, do they?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Because of the classification.

You just don't like it for religious reasons?

 

[YoursTrue]

Don't you find it interesting that evolution believers talk about the imagined possibilities, and never talk about the real barriers?
Have you ever heard of these 'apes' mating... Ahem. Let me clarify. What human mates with apes?

We have ligers and tiglons, but we don't have humapes and apeman.
We get hybrids that cannot reproduce in many species. How does evolution proceed according to imagined possibilities, beyond such barriers?

At this point, I think the theory of evolution is akin to other theories such as the Trinity. Not to get to too far off the subject though. The closer I look at the theory including what's considered as evidence, the greater the relative level of incredibility becomes.

 

[YoursTrue]

You just don't like it for religious reasons?

For practical reasons as well as that which the Bible says. Thanks for asking.

 

[Watchmen]

I don't have to claim it. It's not evidence. It's evidence to those who want to believe that things came about by natural selection rather than by the grand designer.

Again, words have meaning.

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not have hair all over my face because I shave every day. However, this is not true of all men.

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More seriously, our ancestors may have evolved to lose their body hair in order to be able to lose heat by sweating when pursuing prey animals over long distances.

He has a nice structure to his facial hair and I don't think he goes to a barber or gives himself a trim.
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[YoursTrue]

Here he is, that handsome creature. No barber necessary.

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually, the gorilla's facial hair looks better than this guy's. At least I think so. No wonder men have a propensity towards shaving and clearing it off.

 

[Astrophile]

I was getting worried thinking that gorillas don't grow such long beards. As for sweating and losing body hair, I don't think so. Anyway I don't think gorillas are in cold climates or run around pursuing food too much but then...even if they did, oh well.

That is just my point. We are not descended from gorillas; we and gorillas are descended from common ancestors that lived about 7 million years ago, during the Late Miocene epoch. A lot of evolutionary divergence can happen in 7 million years.

As I understand it, the Pliocene ancestors of gorillas lived in the rain forests and adopted a vegetarian diet, where they didn't have to run around pursuing food. Our ancestors (the australopithecines and early species of Homo), on the other hand, adapted to life on the savanna; this required a more energetic life-style, where they were in danger of over-heating as a result of running for long distances. As a result, they lost their hair and therefore were able to lose excess heat by sweating.

 

[joelr]

As I said, and until shown otherwise, I no longer believe the "theory of evolution." Now some will say it's not theory but fact. I used to believe it but as I looked into the theory itself, I no longer accept it as the absolute truth, or fact, as to the how life came about.

So you are talking about abiogenesis? How the first life formed?