I love sex....But I blame it on Satan

[jasonwill2]

I fully embrace my human nature. My human nature has evolved over millennia to give me a brain that is capable of reason. Reason tells me it is unhealthy to take stupid risks. If I ignore my ability to reason I am ignoring and insulting millions of years of evolution.
Even less intelligent animals show restraint when necessary. Satanists aren't dumb.

I would say that your human nature has remained static within your few decades and that you have operated with in the parameters of it. "Your" human nature has only existed as long as you have been alive, independent, but birthed, from your ancestors. We are not a hive-mind after all.

 

[Iti oj]

A=b ergo no porn? Lack of logic fail

 

[Cassiopia]

I would say that your human nature has remained static within your few decades and that you have operated with in the parameters of it. "Your" human nature has only existed as long as you have been alive, independent, but birthed, from your ancestors. We are not a hive-mind after all.

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Not quite sure what you are getting at. We are not separate from evolution. Whatever... Part of our humanity is having a brain and the ability to reason; that is the point I was making.

 

[jasonwill2]

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Not quite sure what you are getting at. We are not separate from evolution. Whatever... Part of our humanity is having a brain and the ability to reason; that is the point I was making.

I don't think he really cares what we are saying. However we are a static link of evolution, we do not "evolve" during our lifetimes. Mutations only occur when we breed and produce offspring. I nor you will evolve in our lives.

Sometimes we describe things as "personal evolution", but really it's just intellectual, spiritual, or emotional development. Evolution is random, "personal evolution", that is, our personal development, is not random.

Hence your brain is not in the process of evolving but represents a point in evolution that is static for the duration of your life, even if you have kids, who will be the next increment in evolution, YOUR mind will still stay in it's born evolutionary stage of the billions of generational links.

 

[Cassiopia]

I don't think he really cares what we are saying.

Agreed

However we are a static link of evolution, we do not "evolve" during our lifetimes. Mutations only occur when we breed and produce offspring. I nor you will evolve in our lives.

Sometimes we describe things as "personal evolution", but really it's just intellectual, spiritual, or emotional development. Evolution is random, "personal evolution", that is, our personal development, is not random.

Hence your brain is not in the process of evolving but represents a point in evolution that is static for the duration of your life, even if you have kids, who will be the next increment in evolution, YOUR mind will still stay in it's born evolutionary stage of the billions of generational links .

Okay, I get your point. That's true.

 

[jasonwill2]

Agreed

Okay, I get your point. That's true.

That was unexpected.

However, sorry to deride your original point. It is true that as Satanists that we value not just pleasure, and that we have minds that we should use rationally as thinking of the consequences is in the parameters of our nature.

 

[Orias]

I have already proven my point in that a Satanist cannot argue caution in sex because it means I have to show sexual restraint in some cases whereas the Satanist philosophy is about the innate human.

No you haven't, and you clearly haven't read anything I've said.

If I were a Satanist I would argue about going for the gusto have risky sex and if you contract something you contract something. Showing sexual restraint even logically is denying at least partially your human nature. If Satanist are about human nature why be responsible? Responsibility leads to sexual restraint.

Because human nature encompasses just that, human nature. Anything else you try and stem off is just wishful thinking and well, human nature.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

See abstract

Differential Diagnosis of Addictive Sexual Disorders Using the DSM-IV

I dont have to experience pain to have a disorder. If I am depressed and/or discontinue normal activity due to me having sex I have a problem.

That is pretty much what I said; that the DSM will often say the condition must be causing a degree of distress to be a disorder. Plenty of people display a degree of obsessive/compulsive behavior, but because it doesn't cause distress or obstructions in daily living for most, they are not diagnosed with OCD. Reoccurring patterns of varying lengths of time are also needed for many disorders. So if you have been depressed from having sex for the last month, because it has only been for a month it may not be sex but something else, and because that isn't long enough for a diagnosis of clinical depression you may just be having a case of the blues. But if it's causing you distress, then why do it? Satanism isn't about following policy, it's about finding your own path in life while also marching to your own beat.
As for using the DSM IV, are you aware that according to the DSM if you are into sexual sadism and/or masochism, then you have a sexual disorder?

I have already proven my point in that a Satanist cannot argue caution in sex because it means I have to show sexual restraint in some cases whereas the Satanist philosophy is about the innate human.

You have proven you are splitting hairs over a technicality. But self-preservation makes it very practical to use caution. If I see a penis that looks like it has toad skin covering it, or a vulva that resembles a cheese dispenser, it would be so cretinous to carry on it would go against the values self-preservation. Actually to not be safe when having sex is only to harm the self, which is the anti-thesis of Satanism. Indulgence in sex has also been a part of the LHP since it's Hindi origins, so really using caution when having sex is Satanic because it is promoting the self, you are celebrating our intellect and ability to able to make such decisions, and you are making a good thing better.
And because the Left is defined by society, if you are going to be having anything but monogamous sex you may as well use protection anyways, since all that birth control is what made you want to have sex in the first place.

 

[Mr. Skittles]

Indulgence is different than mindless compulsion. To indulge one takes a certain amount of moderation and just enjoys life in general. Since a Satanist values their life greatly, a short-lived moment of sex would be rather minor compared to the consequences of contracting something that would either shorten their life or make their life less enjoyable.

A Satanist, if having multiple partners, much more so if they are strangers, should keep in mind that s/he and s/he alone are responsible for their own actions, and should they not practice safe-sex such as condomns or whatever, that they only have their selves to blame. Indulgence in the flesh is NOT mindless compulsion and idiotic behavior. While I disagree with much of the atheistic Church of Satan's stance, they do have some good points such as with the Seven Satanic sins and 11 Rules of the Earth which covers stupidity, which engaging in unsafe sex with many strangers would fall under.



Porn =/= sex. Also there isn't any danger in porn and can it can be a very safe sexual outlet. I have nothing against porn and I think most Satanists are perfectly fine with it.



I have never met one against it.



There's risk in jumping into a freeway, but a Satanist isn't going to do it because of how highly they value their life. Life, or rather their own life and the lives of their loved ones, is extremely sacred to Satanists in general. Enemies are another matter.



Hail Satan! Or Lilith, I'm not sure which one is directing my sexual energy so I pay homage to both!



Great, just take precautions and if you get something, do the responsible thing. However so long as you do things like use condoms and other practices feel free to have sex with as many consenting adults as you wish, as often as you wish. Just don't let it turn into mindless compulsion.



What is your point? Satanists don't care about what they believe for the most part. Satanists feel in general that stopping someone from being either monogamous or polygamous, which ever their natural inclination, is against their rights. Same with their sexual frequency. Some people are asexual, some are more sexual than others. It's up to the Satanist to determine what is sexual needs are and make sure he fulfills them. If they are fulfilled properly, he won't be consumed by them. If he is consumed by his desire none-the-less, than there is probably a bigger psyhcological issue at hand that he or she needs help with...



Safe? sure. Risky? Never. Don't toy with your life, and a Satanist wouldn't either as Satanists value their lives.



Perhaps this is Poe's Law at work, but I find this whole premise offensive. You are targeting a specific religion. I wouldn't find this nearly, if at all, as offensive if you blamed Satan, but to blame others for your actions, even if in "satire", is offensive.



OK now I just think your a troll. Also you have not proven anything as you clearly don't get that it's indulgence and not compulsion, and that a Satanist's desire to live is greater than one moment of sex.

Also being responsible doesn't lead to sexual restraint, it leads to a longer life. Stop using strawman arguments. One can easily satisfy their sexual needs without being a mindless animal. And if they can't, they have some serious mental issues to work out before they destroy themselves.

Also fyi most Satanists are against drugs too as it's counterproductive to the material goals of Satanism. I would think that the same thing would apply for any addiction, including a sex addiction.

My argument if it was not clesr before was that if I subscribe to Satanist philosophy in that I must (I will refrain from using indulgence since you didn't get my meaning) be true to myself which is my human nature. Since sex is pleasurable there should be no problem. Whether its risky or not is besides the point. Its apart of my nature to commence in pleasurable acts are you with me so far?

The development of logic and reason are developmental and attached to our personalities, not something we are born with so I think you maybe getting that mixed up. Nobody is really born with logic so to learn that I need to go through a series of life events which I learn to discern things in their right context. So if you say, "you can love sex but be reasonable" to me seems like one must exercise a form of restraint. For example in Africa where HIV/AIDS is rampant in your view its reasonable to have sex, but exercise caution due to the high probability of contracting HIV/AIDS. Now where I am coming from I was under the impression that Satanist believe in tapping in those inner urges to commence in those pleasures whether actual risk is there or not. So I ask again which is it?

 

[Mr. Skittles]

I fully embrace my human nature. My human nature has evolved over millennia to give me a brain that is capable of reason. Reason tells me it is unhealthy to take stupid risks. If I ignore my ability to reason I am ignoring and insulting millions of years of evolution.
Even less intelligent animals show restraint when necessary. Satanists aren't dumb.

Interesting

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For example in Africa where HIV/AIDS is rampant in your view its reasonable to have sex, but exercise caution due to the high probability of contracting HIV/AIDS. Now where I am coming from I was under the impression that Satanist believe in tapping in those inner urges to commence in those pleasures whether actual risk is there or not. So I ask again which is it?

Some people love the thrill of risk, but the way you are wording it is like sky diving without actually making sure the parachute is in proper working order. You can jump and hope, or you can jump and have more confidence it won't be the last time.

 

[jasonwill2]

My argument if it was not clesr before was that if I subscribe to Satanist philosophy in that I must (I will refrain from using indulgence since you didn't get my meaning) be true to myself which is my human nature. Since sex is pleasurable there should be no problem. Whether its risky or not is besides the point. Its apart of my nature to commence in pleasurable acts are you with me so far?

The development of logic and reason are developmental and attached to our personalities, not something we are born with so I think you maybe getting that mixed up. Nobody is really born with logic so to learn that I need to go through a series of life events which I learn to discern things in their right context. So if you say, "you can love sex but be reasonable" to me seems like one must exercise a form of restraint. For example in Africa where HIV/AIDS is rampant in your view its reasonable to have sex, but exercise caution due to the high probability of contracting HIV/AIDS. Now where I am coming from I was under the impression that Satanist believe in tapping in those inner urges to commence in those pleasures whether actual risk is there or not. So I ask again which is it?

Your missing the point! The instinct to survive, to avoid things that you know will kill you and end your life, is the strongest one of them all, even more so than any other including sex! If you follow your nature, you also follow that self-preservation part of your instincts that you were born with.

And if you are aware of the danger of unprotected sex, that survival instinct will be averted to engaging in that risky activity.

 

[Mr. Skittles]

Some people love the thrill of risk, but the way you are wording it is like sky diving without actually making sure the parachute is in proper working order. You can jump and hope, or you can jump and have more confidence it won't be the last time.

But isn't that what its all about? Living on the edge? So-called living your life as you see fit? Being your own god?

 

[Mr. Skittles]

Your missing the point! The instinct to survive, to avoid things that you know will kill you and end your life, is the strongest one of them all, even more so than any other including sex! If you follow your nature, you also follow that self-preservation part of your instincts that you were born with.

And if you are aware of the danger of unprotected sex, that survival instinct will be averted to engaging in that risky activity.

I understand your argument but as I mentioned in my previous post to shadow wolf, people like risk. Some like living on the edge because it is the intense pleasure which is our human nature. Some people like jumping out of planes 30,000 feet above land which in view is quite dangerous but for those that do this, this a high. In this example self-preservation maybe checking the chute to see if its in proper condition. However unforseeable events can happen such as having a seizure in mid-air or an aneurysm or the biggest risk, having a failed chute. However these potential unforseeable risks don't matter to thrill seekers.

 

[Orias]

This thread is pointless Jason.

He's failed respond to my last point, therefore he has failed to make his purpose clear.

 

[Mr. Skittles]

This thread is pointless Jason.

He's failed respond to my last point, therefore he has failed to make his purpose clear.

It was clearly unintentional. I could have possibly skimmed through it unintentionally. Point it out and I will address it but just because I didnt address it doesnt mean the thread is pointless. Besides I am active in several threads and tend to come here and respond to the most recent post

 

[NIX]

Why the big focus on sex? Why not sky diving? Shooting yourself out of a cannon? Skiing backwards down diamond slopes? Rollerskating on the freeway?

There are SO MANY wonderful and risky things one can do!

(Seems to remember reading/hearing that car accidents, and falls on the stairs and in the shower are amongst the most common causes of death. Maybe EVERYONE is a satanist. )

 

[Orias]

It was clearly unintentional. I could have possibly skimmed through it unintentionally. Point it out and I will address it but just because I didnt address it doesnt mean the thread is pointless. Besides I am active in several threads and tend to come here and respond to the most recent post

Well you said you were trying to poke a hole in Satanic philosophy, while implying that you haven't been able to do so, so I'm not sure what the real point is

Why the big focus on sex? Why not sky diving? Shooting yourself out of a cannon? Skiing backwards down diamond slopes? Rollerskating on the freeway?

There are SO MANY wonderful and risky things one can do!

(Seems to remember reading/hearing that car accidents, and falls on the stairs and in the shower are amongst the most common causes of death. Maybe EVERYONE is a satanist. )

:cover:

NO WAY.

 

[NIX]

Why the big focus on sex? Why not sky diving? Shooting yourself out of a cannon? Skiing backwards down diamond slopes? Rollerskating on the freeway?

There are SO MANY wonderful and risky things one can do!

(Seems to remember reading/hearing that car accidents, and falls on the stairs and in the shower are amongst the most common causes of death. Maybe EVERYONE is a satanist. )

In a truly godly world everyone would smell all the worse from walking everywhere. And bilevels would be seen as the blatant evil they are.

 

[jasonwill2]

But isn't that what its all about? Living on the edge? So-called living your life as you see fit? Being your own god?

What use is living your life is you kill yourself for your own stupidity? You are missing all the really important subtle bits and other ideas. Also not all Satanists are following the idea of what you said, some think that while that is an important element, it doesn't need to be the main focus as focusing too much on being your own god inflates the ego. There really doesn't need to be much said about individualism or enjoying your life, as it's pretty straight-forward. Same goes with it as a focus.

Also LaVeyans in particular like to point out about personal responsibility, admitting to your mistakes and living with the consequences, not blaming anything or anyone else other than yourself. This includes Satan, which they do not believe in, or any other group person or idea for your own stupidity. As I said before, one of their "Satanic Sins" is Stupidity.

You might understand that Satanism has hedonism as an element, but you fail to understand the other parts. As I said before, there is a difference between indulging and being a mindless animal.

I understand your argument but as I mentioned in my previous post to shadow wolf, people like risk. Some like living on the edge because it is the intense pleasure which is our human nature. Some people like jumping out of planes 30,000 feet above land which in view is quite dangerous but for those that do this, this a high. In this example self-preservation maybe checking the chute to see if its in proper condition. However unforseeable events can happen such as having a seizure in mid-air or an aneurysm or the biggest risk, having a failed chute. However these potential unforseeable risks don't matter to thrill seekers.

They know the calculated risks even if they did everything on their end. If they die, that's something they were aware of. While I wouldn't attribute their deaths to being "their fault" directly as they took precautions, I would make the point that they engaged in potentially deadly activities. Then again driving is dangerous too, but I wouldn't blame them for what they did if the risk was rather low but something still went wrong. If they did the activity knowing that in that instance the risk was relatively high, I probably would of then.