I see no value in atheism

[Bunyip]

Showing you anything does no good, you just ignore it. Trying to reason with you achieves nothing. I know what you are. Everybody who matters in this place probably does too.

I'll leave it at that.

It would be better if you left with just a single example to back your accusations.

You say you know what I am? Well out with it - what am I?

I get on well with people here, have made many friends and am nearing my thousandth like - I don't have any enemies and love the membership here. So if you think you 'know what I am' - out with it! What am I?

 

[Quagmire]

No you can't. If you could you would have reported them.

I would have reported your reports?

Does that idea actually make sense to you?

 

[Quagmire]

It would be better if you left with just a single example to back your accusations.

I've tried that before with you. It does no good.

You say you know what I am? Well out with it - what am I?

LOL! Even without rule 1 holding me back, I wouldn't know where to start.

I get on well with people here, have made many friends and am nearing my thousandth like - I don't have any enemies and love the membership here. So if you think you 'know what I am' - out with it! What am I?

A waste of my time.

 

[Bunyip]

I would have reported your reports?

Does that idea actually make sense to you?

No, this post makes no sense to me.

 

[Bunyip]

I've tried that before with you. It does no good.

No point in lying. No you have not.

LOL! Even without rule 1 holding me back, I wouldn't know where to start.

By supporting your empty accusations, or even better desisting from posting them or apologising. [/quote]



A waste of my time. [/QUOTE]

 

[Quagmire]

No point in lying. No you have not. By supporting your empty accusations, or even better desisting from posting them or apologising.

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[Bunyip]

Showing you anything does no good, you just ignore it.

That is a pathetic excuse for your inability to support your accusations. You know that the truth is simply that your accusations are inventions that you can not support because I did no such thing.

. Trying to reason with you achieves nothing.

You haven't tried it. Give it a shot first.

I know what you are. Everybody who matters in this place probably does too.

I'll leave it at that.

What i am is a member here who is behaving perfectly soundly. And great how you 'leave it at that' when failing to back any of your accusations. That's pretty low.

 

[Quagmire]

To everybody else in here: sorry about my part in derailing this thread.

In my defense, my first few posts in here were an honest attempt to initiate a reasonable discussion:

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Although I realize now I should have known better.

 

[Jared Jammer]

Question for you: do you think existence can have value for us independently from God?

In other words: if you lose your faith tomorrow, do you think that things like human life will lose all value for you?

If that is the case: please keep believing, by all means

Ciao

- viole

Not value in any meaningful sense, no. From an atheistic perspective, we may feel our existence has value, but these feelings, and the thoughts linked to them, would be nothing more than delusions; byproducts of the evolution of our brains.

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism. We are accidental creations of a purposeless universe. Our existence is just one small, insignificant pebble on an infinite beach of meaninglessness.

Those that disagree are either in denial, or haven't thought things through.

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?

1. Value and meaning are subjective.
2. The subjective self and the human brain are one-in-the-same.
   
3. The human brain is nothing more than physics and chemistry, evolved to aide us in survival.

 

[darkendless]

Not value in any meaningful sense, no. From an atheistic perspective, we may feel our existence has value, but these feelings, and the thoughts linked to them, would be nothing more than delusions; byproducts of the evolution of our brains. We are accidental creations of a purposeless universe. Our existence is just one small, insignificant pebble on an infinite beach of meaninglessness.

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism. Those that disagree are either in denial, or haven't thought things through.

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?

1. Value and meaning are subjective.
2. The subjective self and the human brain are one-in-the-same.
   
3. The human brain is nothing more than physics and chemistry, evolved to aide us in survival.

3. If you need more than stark reality to sleep at night then God help you (pun intended )

 

[Shad]

Likewise your religious feeling of existence is not based on any more than "feelings" than an atheist's. Pot meet Kettle

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others. Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly on a religious forum for years, about God not existing, if they really truly believed that God did not exist...it would be a no brainer... I mean how often is it that rats are seen swimming towards a sinking ship...never....it's the other way round....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations...that's what religion is about...forgiveness....

 

[Looncall]

Not value in any meaningful sense, no. From an atheistic perspective, we may feel our existence has value, but these feelings, and the thoughts linked to them, would be nothing more than delusions; byproducts of the evolution of our brains.

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism. We are accidental creations of a purposeless universe. Our existence is just one small, insignificant pebble on an infinite beach of meaninglessness.

Those that disagree are either in denial, or haven't thought things through.

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?

1. Value and meaning are subjective.
2. The subjective self and the human brain are one-in-the-same.
   
3. The human brain is nothing more than physics and chemistry, evolved to aide us in survival.

I disagree with almost all of this. It does not take much thought to work out what is needed for people to get along with other people, animals etc. Religion is not needed for morals. In fact, I find that religion leads to atrophy of moral reasoning.

I agree with all of your list, but I see them as irrelevant to matters such as morality and meaning. Those are our own responsibility. One should not outsource them to religions. That is the lazy route.

 

[Shad]

It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others. Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly on a religious forum for years, about God not existing, if they really truly believed that God did not exist...it would be a no brainer... I mean how often is it that rats are seen swimming towards a sinking ship...never....it's the other way round....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations..

Let me know when the religious stop attempting to use their religious views to put forward laws, and break laws, in society. At this point the debates about God become completely academic rather than within how a society runs. It is not the idea of God but how take this idea and attempt to use it to run or dictate how others life their lives that do not accept the concept as sound.

 

[Looncall]

It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others. Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly on a religious forum for years, about God not existing, if they really truly believed that God did not exist...it would be a no brainer... I mean how often is it that rats are seen swimming towards a sinking ship...never....it's the other way round....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations...that's what religion is about...forgiveness....

This is foolishness. Being an atheist means not believing there is a god, after all. No-one is mad at someone they do not think exists. That is a mad delusion.

Atheists oppose religion because of the vast harm it does. Everyone should oppose scams.

 

[ArtieE]

Not value in any meaningful sense, no. From an atheistic perspective, we may feel our existence has value, but these feelings, and the thoughts linked to them, would be nothing more than delusions; byproducts of the evolution of our brains.

Some atheists believe that we didn't evolve but were created by aliens. Would you say that would give us value in a meaningful sense as you see it?

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism. We are accidental creations of a purposeless universe. Our existence is just one small, insignificant pebble on an infinite beach of meaninglessness.

Yes, that is your belief. You might be a moral nihilist if left without religion. In reality the atheist life is full of meaning and purpose. The meaning and purpose of our lives is to fulfill our function and do and be what evolution and natural selection evolved us to do and be.

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?

1. Value and meaning are subjective.

1. The value and meaning of my life came from the objective source of evolution and natural selection and what is valuable and meaningful to me is to be and do what I evolved to be and do. One of the most important instincts we evolved is the survival instinct. So I try to be a person who increases chances of survival and do things that increases chances for survival. Just like a surgeon increases the chances of survival for his patients.

 

[ArtieE]

It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others.

Atheists don't believe in gods. And I am actually mad at Poseidon for creating all those earthquakes. He's an evil *******.

 

[viole]

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?

1. Value and meaning are subjective. --> Accept
2. The subjective self and the human brain are one-in-the-same. --> Accept, if you replace brain with what the brain computes
   
3. The human brain is nothing more than physics and chemistry, evolved to aide us in survival. --> Accept, even though information processing (physical as well) is involved too

yet,for some reason, I always enjoy receiving a beatiful rose even if I am perfectly aware, deep inside, that it will land into the trash bean in a couple of days. I love my children very much even if I know, deep inside, that in a sufficient number of generations any legacy we might have left will be forgotten forever and that their smile is the product of some buzzing neurons.I enjoy pizza and cheese fondue a lot, even though I know, deep inside, that this feeling is the emergent property of a physical computational machine.

So what?

I am afraid, you are the (potential) nihilist. You cannot see that things can have value (for us, but still value nevertheless) without postulating an imaginary support of eternal value. I wonder if people believe just to keep this illusion of eternal, not biocentric value alive, somehow.

Alas, that sort of reasoning is just an extension of your survival instinct and natually selected, exactly like your belief in God. An adaptation to protect aganst nihilism for the ones at risk of it. Your natural crutch, so to speak.

So, again, do you think that everything you love, or wonder, today will lose any value if you lose your faith tomorrow?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Willamena]

Atheism is a word, and words usually have multiple meanings and connotations that tend to change over time.

...For practical purposes, I would guess that if we made a poll thread asking RF's atheist members: "Do you merely lack a belief in God, or do you hold a definite belief that there is no God", that second option would trump the first by a wide margin.

I don't think the poll was worded well, but I also believe that the young farts (who use the "lack" and "absence" terminology) outweigh the old farts on this forum (who don't).

 

[outhouse]

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism.

You will never show evidence of that though.

That's makes your position, unsubstantiated.