I see no value in atheism

[leibowde84]

Yes I think I am the same in some ways.

Maybe you are a deist.

 

[psychoslice]

Thank God for that!

I catch myself out saying that all the time, but what else could we say, like even in sex we yell out that name, Oh God, Oh yea baby lol.

 

[steeltoes]

I'm an atheist but I haven't found a use for it.

 

[Bunyip]

I understand that. IMO, and please note that anacronym, to reject belief requires understanding, for example, if I believe that behavioral psychology is bunk, because it doesn't consider physiognomy, genetics, and so on, I have to understand fully what behavioral psychology is. Or a more understandable example, if I believe that Freud was full of crap, as most do today, I have to have a full understanding of what he proposed to believe he was full of sh*te. And I do believe he as full of sh*te.

That doesn't make sense - a belief you do not have does not need to be informed. You seem to confuse beliefs for their absence.

 

[Bunyip]

"English". Wonder what that word means in Bunyupian.

You are a staff member, I am not going to accept being bullied by you. Stop it. If childish attacks and snide insults are all you can muster, don't comment.

 

[ArtieE]

Those who refer to themselves as simply "agnostic" and not "atheist" or "theist" simple don't understand what those words refer to.

Or maybe they simply don't want to say whether they believe or don't believe or consider belief without facts and scientific evidence and knowledge completely irrelevant to them.

 

[ArtieE]

That doesn't make sense - a belief you do not have does not need to be informed. You seem to confuse beliefs for their absence.

True. You don't need to know what a car is in order to not have one.

 

[Jared Jammer]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

 

[icehorse]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

Somehow I don't feel your keen powers of observation have quite pinned me down...

 

[thau]

I think the difference is that some people are so convinced of their belief, they claim to 'know' in a factual manner. To me, that makes no sense as it is still belief, and cannot ever be called fact.

Some like me beg to differ.

When the empirical evidence is overwhelming and unexplainable in any other reasonable terms, that is tantamount to knowing. Far more than for example how one might say they know Napoleon existed.

And some of us do not "shut down" like your relative when challenged.

Do you think Joan of Arc knew God existed? How about St. Paul? That is, if you accepted those two in fact existed in the first place.

 

[ArtieE]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

Muslim theists fly planes into buildings, massacre French cartoonists, decapitate fellow Christian theists, blow up innocent people using suicide bombers, perform honor killings and rape children to death. Muslim Man Rapes Child Bride Until She Dies - Religious Freedom Coalition
Theism really creates a better world.

 

[leibowde84]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

Prejudiced much?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

I thought God was supposed to fill that role?

 

[leibowde84]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

So, you are saying that lacking a belief in God (all that is required to be an atheist) is based always on emotions rather than logic, devalues all of existence, and is an emotional crutch? How on earth can you defend the position that a mere lack of belief in God means all of these things?

 

[viole]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

Question for you: do you think existence can have value for us independently from God?

In other words: if you lose your faith tomorrow, do you think that things like human life will lose all value for you?

If that is the case: please keep believing, by all means

Ciao

- viole

 

[Stevicus]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic.

Some humans may be more rooted in emotions rather than logic, and this is likely just as true for some atheists as it is for any other group of people. But I've also dealt with enough atheists to know that it's certainly possible to use reason and logic and come to that position.

In some ways, it requires looking at things more objectively and removing the emotional component from one's perspective. This is particularly true when considering that religion is very emotionally-centered, focusing on "God's love," which clearly plays on people's emotions, along with the equally powerful emotion of fear, specifically the fear of eternal damnation for those who don't fall in line and believe.

To reject such teachings may not be so much "rooted in emotion" but rather a refusal to succumb to emotional blackmail, which entails having one's head rule over one's heart.

Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people.

Is it wrong to want to make life easier for people? I don't see that it devalues all existence. It might be a more realistic approach, a way of dealing with life on life's terms. But a person can still be a humanist and value human life and the well-being of people without believing in any god or gods. One can still value human progress, both social progress and scientific progress, which has had the effect of increasing the value of our existence.

It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

That's an unlikely supposition. For one thing, if someone is looking for an "emotional crutch" of some sort, we live in a society with a veritable smörgåsbord of "emotional crutches" to choose from.

For some people, chowing down on a Big Mac may be more emotionally satisfying than atheism.

 

[Nakosis]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

A person claiming to be a atheist actually says very little about a person, other than they lack a belief in God. This seems a lot to assume from relatively little information.

I value all of existence, I think existing is really cool. It makes it easier to deal with life in generally since I have no vested interest in any particular God. Emotionally I think it'd be a lot easier to believe in a God that loves you and cares for you then not. Otherwise there in no guarantee you're going to be able to find these things. I'd be nice to believe in a God who accepts you as you are.

Wicked, seems neither theist nor atheist own the market on being wicked. Being "evil" doesn't seem necessarily connected to whether one believes in God or not.

 

[Nakosis]

That's an unlikely supposition. For one thing, if someone is looking for an "emotional crutch" of some sort, we live in a society with a veritable smörgåsbord of "emotional crutches" to choose from.

For some people, chowing down on a Big Mac may be more emotionally satisfying than atheism.

Good point, I suppose watching the latest series released on Netflix does it for me.

 

[ArtieE]

if you lose your faith tomorrow, do you think that things like human life will lose all value for you?

If that is the case: please keep believing, by all means

Basic psychology. They look in the mirror and see what they themselves would be like if they hadn't been held in check by their theism/religion and think that's what atheists are like.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I've dealt with enough atheists in my time to know that atheism is undeniably rooted in emotions, rather than logic. Atheism devalues all of existence, which makes life easier to deal with for certain people. It's an emotional crutch for the weak and the wicked.

This is pretty hilarious. Likely you simply feel attacked by anyone who questions your view of things - and because that makes you feel devalued, your conceit extends that devaluation to "all of existence". Pretending that your "attacker's" position is simply an "emotional crutch" for their "weak and wicked" ways then makes life easier to deal with for you.