I see no value in atheism

[ImmortalFlame]

You reject subjectivity,

No I don't.

you reject any theory in which freedom is regarded as real and relevant in the universe.

No I don't.

It means inevitably your interpretation of natural selection must be social darwinism.

No it doesn't.

Three statements, three errors. That'd be impressive if it weren't so frustrating.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You did a terrible job, merely providing vague insults to my character and failing to provide a single specific example. Please provide reasoning for your erroneous assumption so I can point out why you are mistaken.

Nothing doing. I already provided reasoning substantiating my conclusion that you regard good an evil as fact. And if it were not true I woul be the first to welcome someone who champions the validity of opinions in their own right as distinct from fact.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

No I don't.


No I don't.


No it doesn't.

Three statements, three errors. That'd be impressive if it weren't so frustrating.

A reasoned response would be, i support the following theory in which freesom is regarded real and relevant ........ I accept subjectivity it works as follows. ....

Your vacuous response means there is nothing there. Nobody who genuinely accepted these things would respond the way you do, obviously.

 

[ArtieE]

Is complete nonsense. Somebody making the opinion something is good does not preclude you from making the opinion it is evil.

So what? I can't stop him because according to you he isn't actually doing anything wrong we just have different opinions. He's as much entitled to have his opinions as I am to have mine, isn't he? You constantly claim that freedom is "real and relevant in the universe". According to you shouldn't he have his freedom to rape and murder little girls?

 

[leibowde84]

Nothing doing. I already provided reasoning substantiating my conclusion that you regard good an evil as fact. And if it were not true I woul be the first to welcome someone who champions the validity of opinions in their own right as distinct from fact.

I do think that opinions are distinct from fact, so you are either mistaken or are being deliberately dishonest.

 

[leibowde84]

Nothing doing. I already provided reasoning substantiating my conclusion that you regard good an evil as fact. And if it were not true I woul be the first to welcome someone who champions the validity of opinions in their own right as distinct from fact.

by the way, just to be clear, my knowledge and experience of the world thus far leads me to strongly believe that there is more to reality than objective realities. I strongly believe that subjectivity is real. But, as I said before, claimed certainty is for chumps.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

So what? I can't stop him because according to you he isn't actually doing anything wrong we just have different opinions. He's as much entitled to have his opinions as I am to have mine, isn't he? You constantly claim that freedom is "real and relevant in the universe". According to you shouldn't he have his freedom to rape and murder little girls?

See how serious, deep and completely irrational rejection of subjectivity that it is? That's because society is not requiring creationism is taught at school.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

by the way, just to be clear, my knowledge and experience of the world thus far leads me to strongly believe that there is more to reality than objective realities. I strongly believe that subjectivity is real. But, as I said before, claimed certainty is for chumps.

Belief is all that is asked for subjective issues. Certainty belongs to fact, confidence belongs to opinion.

And I am not buying it obviously.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

I do think that opinions are distinct from fact, so you are either mistaken or are being deliberately dishonest.

I am not dishonest. I have been straight with you explaining how subjectivity works. You reject it, well obviously it means you reject subjectivity. Which is also shown by that all your words tend toward fact, not opinion.

 

[ArtieE]

See how serious, deep and completely irrational rejection of subjectivity that it is?

Should we stop a person raping little girls to death when according to you he isn't doing anything wrong?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Should we stop a person raping little girls to death when according to you he isn't doing anything wrong?

You're high on the factual certainty that raping a little girl to death is wrong. You use it to get high. That's not right.

 

[Willamena]

I do think that opinions are distinct from fact, so you are either mistaken or are being deliberately dishonest.

Sure they are distinct... if I say, "You're a big poopy-head," that's opinion, not fact. It expresses what I think or feel, rather than expressing something about the world (in this case, you).

 

[leibowde84]

I am not dishonest. I have been straight with you explaining how subjectivity works. You reject it, well obviously it means you reject subjectivity. Which is also shown by that all your words tend toward fact, not opinion.

so, why do my words tending toward fact

Sure they are distinct... if I say, "You're a big poopy-head," that's opinion, not fact. It expresses what I think or feel, rather than expressing something about the world (in this case, you).

I mean, linguistically it is an unverifiable statement because "poopy head" is all too vague.

 

[Willamena]

I mean, linguistically it is an unverifiable statement because "poopy head" is all too vague.

What does it mean to be "linguistically verifiable"?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

What does it mean to be "linguistically verifiable"?

Something that isn't nonsensical or at least is something far more specific that can be easily identified or defined through our language.

 

[leibowde84]

What does it mean to be "linguistically verifiable"?

It is a term without a specific meaning.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

A reasoned response would be, i support the following theory in which freesom is regarded real and relevant ........ I accept subjectivity it works as follows. ....

Your vacuous response means there is nothing there. Nobody who genuinely accepted these things would respond the way you do, obviously.

And anybody who actually has an argument would make it rather than simply ignoring other people's points and throwing accusations at them. My responses are only as vacuous as your accusations are.

 

[ArtieE]

You're high on the factual certainty that raping a little girl to death is wrong. You use it to get high. That's not right.

But dear Mohammad, there's no such thing as right or wrong according to you. I assume you mean to say "In my opinion, you're high on the factual certainty that raping a little girl to death is wrong. In my opinion, you use it to get high. In my opinion, that's not right."

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

And anybody who actually has an argument would make it rather than simply ignoring other people's points and throwing accusations at them. My responses are only as vacuous as your accusations are.

You reject subjectivity, and deny freedom is real and relevant.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

But dear Mohammad, there's no such thing as right or wrong according to you. I assume you mean to say "In my opinion, you're high on the factual certainty that raping a little girl to death is wrong. In my opinion, you use it to get high. In my opinion, that's not right."

What sort of citizens evolution theory produces....