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I see no value in atheism

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
ben d said:
It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others
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Who says that, who holds an ounce of credibility?

ben d said:
Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly
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Provide examples, it looks to be unsubstantiated rhetoric.

ben d said:
....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations
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More unsubstantiated rhetoric, with no real examples to support this.

ben d said:
that's what religion is about...forgiveness....
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Ya, about that.

Looks like a rather narrow view that only supports your rhetoric.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Shad said:
Let me know when the religious stop attempting to use their religious views to put forward laws, and break laws, in society. At this point the debates about God become completely academic rather than within how a society runs. It is not the idea of God but how take this idea and attempt to use it to run or dictate how others life their lives that do not accept the concept as sound.
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There is a difference between human religious institutions, and the real purpose of religion, at least in the way I practice religion...
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
ben d said:
There is a difference between human religious institutions, and the real purpose of religion, at least in the way I practice religion...
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The issue is not those with a live let live policy. It is only with those that attempt to force their personal religious views into the public sphere, society and law. Keep in mind that many people are speaking these views outside their religion's hierarchy.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Looncall said:
This is foolishness. Being an atheist means not believing there is a god, after all. No-one is mad at someone they do not think exists. That is a mad delusion.

Atheists oppose religion because of the vast harm it does. Everyone should oppose scams.
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The purpose of religion is to bring about the reuniting of the human soul with its source...human religious institutions otoh are by and large apostate....there is a distinction...
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
ArtieE said:
Atheists don't believe in gods. And I am actually mad at Poseidon for creating all those earthquakes. He's an evil *******. ;)
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The concept of God has to be present in your mind in order for it to be rejected..... or are you saying that you absolutely do not have, and have never had any concept of God in your mind?
 
Looncall

Looncall

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ben d said:
The purpose of religion is to bring about the reuniting of the human soul with its source...human religious institutions otoh are by and large apostate....there is a distinction...
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Supposing there such a thing as a soul. I am not convinced there is.
 
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ArtieE

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ben d said:
The concept of God has to be present in your mind in order for it to be rejected..... or are you saying that you absolutely do not have, and have never had any concept of God in your mind?
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Atheists don't believe in gods. Plural. You don't need to have a concept of a god in your mind in order to not believe in him. Here is a list of gods atheists and Christians don't believe in. Gods We Don’t Believe In
I have managed to not believe in many of those gods most of my life even though I hadn't even heard of them before I saw that list... :)
 
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JoStories

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ben d said:
The purpose of religion is to bring about the reuniting of the human soul with its source...human religious institutions otoh are by and large apostate....there is a distinction...
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Isn't that a bit simplistic? There are many reasons, some positive, some detrimental, for religion and/or spirituality, and I am not quite sure I understand your point between the first statement and the second. First you say religion is to reunite with God or whatever of that concept one holds. Then you say that religions are apostate. Which is it?
 
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JoStories

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Jared Jammer said:
Not value in any meaningful sense, no. From an atheistic perspective, we may feel our existence has value, but these feelings, and the thoughts linked to them, would be nothing more than delusions; byproducts of the evolution of our brains.

My belief is, always has been, and always will be, that thought-out atheism will always lead to amoral nihilism. We are accidental creations of a purposeless universe. Our existence is just one small, insignificant pebble on an infinite beach of meaninglessness.

Those that disagree are either in denial, or haven't thought things through.

Tell me, atheists, which of the below three premises do you accept, and which of the three do you reject?
  1. Value and meaning are subjective.
  2. The subjective self and the human brain are one-in-the-same.
  3. The human brain is nothing more than physics and chemistry, evolved to aide us in survival.
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Amoral nihilism? How so? The atheists I know, in life and here are great people. What leads you to believe they are hedonists? Do you have some kind of peer reviewed study or studies to prove this assertion? Can you please prove to us where the soul resides? You seem to imply that there is more,to the brain than cells, etc. what would that be and can you prove that physiologically? Biochemically? Even anatomically? And please explain how feelings and emotions are delusional.
 
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JoStories

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ben d said:
It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others. Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly on a religious forum for years, about God not existing, if they really truly believed that God did not exist...it would be a no brainer... I mean how often is it that rats are seen swimming towards a sinking ship...never....it's the other way round....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations...that's what religion is about...forgiveness....
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That seems a bit harsh. Mad at God? I pretty much guarantee that atheist, and I include my father here, would say that is far from true. And as for atheists being here or on any forum, why are you here? Perhaps they have an interest. Perhaps they are trying to make sense of people who do beleive something that they can't prove. I am here for both leisure reasons and academia. And keep in mind that I am a theist.
 
Monk Of Reason

Monk Of Reason

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ben d said:
It has been said that atheists are self-absorbed amoral, elitists who, rather than truly believing that there is no God, are actually mad at Him for not intervening in some past event in their life or the lives of others. Think about it...why would anyone rant incessantly on a religious forum for years, about God not existing, if they really truly believed that God did not exist...it would be a no brainer... I mean how often is it that rats are seen swimming towards a sinking ship...never....it's the other way round....and I know that most RF members of religious faith know this....and are literally exhausted turning their cheeks to the rants of the more traumatized atheists here on RF who feel God has not lived up to their expectations...that's what religion is about...forgiveness....
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Oh yeah. Its been said a lot. Rarely is actually true however :D
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
JoStories said:
Isn't that a bit simplistic? There are many reasons, some positive, some detrimental, for religion and/or spirituality, and I am not quite sure I understand your point between the first statement and the second. First you say religion is to reunite with God or whatever of that concept one holds. Then you say that religions are apostate. Which is it?
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There is the concept of religion which, if you understand the Latin root and prefix, means to reunite, retie, similar meaning to the Sanskrit concept of yoga meaning union.... and then there are human created institutions/churches who mostly do not teach of the possibility of being one with the source, hence apostate....
 
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