I support Trump

[suncowiam]

Homosexuals, freedom of speech, atheists ..... and the politicians love Saudi Arabia, hypocrisy at best

Spoiler

That's not what I asked.

You're right to point out hypocrisy. All I can say is one step at a time to that.

I asked you if you supported such ideals.

 

[FearGod]

That's not what I asked.

You're right to point out hypocrisy. All I can say is one step at a time to that.

I asked you if you supported such ideals.

Didn't you see that all the previous and the recent president support them?
It isn't my business, it's up to them for how they want to live and whom to rule them.

 

[suncowiam]

Didn't you see that all the previous and the recent president support them?
It isn't my business, it's up to them for how they want to live and whom to rule them.

You mean its up to few on how they want to live and how they rule others?

 

[FearGod]

You mean its up to few on how they want to live and how they rule others?

Why i care about North Korean or Iran or Russia....etc, as i said China for example is strong but
it doesn't care about how the others choose to live.

The politicians always lie and their people are fooled.

 

[suncowiam]

Why i care about North Korean or Iran or Russia....etc, as i said China for example is strong but
it doesn't care about how the others choose to live.

The politicians always lie and their people are fooled.

You probably don't need to care which is fine.

I care about other people's rights. Because if I didn't then someone can justify taking away my rights.

 

[FearGod]

You probably don't need to care which is fine.

I care about other people's rights. Because if I didn't then someone can justify taking away my rights.

Does that mean you should fight other countries for this purpose?

 

[suncowiam]

Does that mean you should fight other countries for this purpose?

Yes. I do think so. Countries can stay intact. Ideals can change.

Fight is a strong word. I dont advocate war. One can oppose and influence through other means. But if genocide is occurring, then definitely someone has to step in.

I'm going to take a break from this conversation. I appreciate your time but I have to go do some other things at the moment.

Thx

 

[FearGod]

Yes. I do think so. Countries can stay intact. Ideals can change.

Fight is a strong word. I dont advocate war. One can oppose and influence through other means. But if genocide is occurring, then definitely someone has to step in.

I'm going to take a break from this conversation. I appreciate your time but I have to go do some other things at the moment.

Thx

Thanks, dude
go for the real life, c ya later

 

[Revoltingest]

We both do, and neither party even comes close to being authoritarian.

It's all relative.

We went to Iraq to "spread Democracy." Troops stationed there can now find Children of Bodom albums in stores over there easier than I can here. I doubt Nuclear Blast, Spinefarm, or Century Media (the publishes of CoB albums) were pushing for war, but clearly many where anticipating lining their pocket books due to the war. Convenient that Capitalist ventures fit hand-in-hand with the Neo-Conservativism favored by Bush Jr, who also had Blackwater guarding oil rigs in Iraq. And of course we have the "Banana Wars," Nicaragua (and other locations that involved military conflict and American capitalist expansion that made Che Guevara a commonly known name), and about a quarter to half of all wars from the 70s to now have been fought over oil.

The oil in the conflicts isn't oil we actually need or even get.
So that makes no sense as a motive for war.
And there's no proof, even slight, that Blackwater influenced going to war.

 

[leibowde84]

I'm not an American but I'm with Trump and i hope he wins.
Where your voice will go, to Trump or to Clinton, just curious.

I despise Trump. I am not a big fan of Hilary either, but at least she has a thick skin, experience, and isn't a bully who uses childish personal insults as weapons and is a horrific example for children who watch her speeches on TV. I would be embarrassed to have Trump represent us to the world. Except for Russia, every other country is going to see America as a racist, misogynistic, full-hearty country filled with hicks and red-necks if Trump is elected. And, while his supporters don't seem to care about how the world views us, I certainly do.

Also, I think he is hiding quite a bit by not releasing his tax returns. He probably doesn't make nearly as much as he claims, gives not a cent to charity, and might have pulled some illegal tax-cheat maneuvers as well. I wouldn't even hold it against him if he just was man enough to make his tax-returns public and deal with the backlash.

But, to be clear:
1. Both candidates are equally dishonest
2. Both candidates seem to be major league jerks behind closed doors (Clinton at least cleans it up in front of the cameras, imho)
3. Both are seemingly against free-trade, which I strongly support
4. Both seem to not let religious beliefs get in the way of their positions, which I like.

And, after watching the RNC as compared to the DNC, I have a strong dislike for the Republican Party in general, so I am pretty biased in that respect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And there's no proof, even slight, that Blackwater influenced going to war.

I didn't say they did, rather that they ordered to protect oil, which is suspicious. Why pay for something (mercenaries) that yields no upfront gains, but in the long run yields profits and relations with corrupt regimes?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

1. Both candidates are equally dishonest

Wrong:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

 

[Revoltingest]

I didn't say they did, rather that they ordered to protect oil, which is suspicious. Why pay for something (mercenaries) that yields no upfront gains, but in the long run yields profits and relations with corrupt regimes?

Still no evidence they drive public policy.
But if your conspiracy theory is true, then Hillary would be
just more of the same, given her crony capitalist connections.

 

[gnomon]

I'm not an American but I'm with Trump and i hope he wins.
Where your voice will go, to Trump or to Clinton, just curious.

Well that's just sad.

Supporting someone who not only advocates deporting illegal immigrants which would wreck the U.S. economy but deporting legal immigrants as well........we've heard it before. In the 1930's European arguments making the same arguments against a certain class of people.

I read an excellent article about the inane concept of Godwins Law and comparing people to Hitler, because that is not the basis of that ridiculous law, but that indeed there are comparisons to be made with Trumps plans of domestic law to be made with that of fascists that have come before.

This so called business man would ruin the U.S. economy by deporting so many legal immigrants providing this nation with the wealth and benefit of their services over this horse**** notion of America first.

You have to be a complete idiot to buy into this nonsense.....which apparently less than half the electorate is considering his popularity.

The fact that his platform includes the notion that Mexico must pay for a wall....it's true.....that's part of his platform, to build a wall along the southern border.........right now I will state that any member of this forum supporting such an absolute bull**** concept is an utter fool. To demand another nation that we illegally supplied arms into the reach of violent drug cartels..........sorry, too busy shaking my head at the moment.

I wouldn't trust anyone supporting this horse**** concept offered up by this hairpiece in action to sit the right way on a toilet seat.

You really have to laugh at the notion that immigrants into this nation must be able to afford housing.............considering that the incredibly overinflated housing market has kept numerous Americans born in this nation from being able to afford housing. He just simply glossed over the most dramatic economic crisis since the 1920's with that slag of garbage.

And that latter sentiment is actually a huge part of the economic issues in this nation. The inflation of property values and the reliance upon debt to afford basic needs while the median wage in this nation has remained level. But neither Trump or Clinton is addressing this. No one is. That crisis has been swept under the rug until we see it again which is inevitable. But hey, there are immigrants here actually sustaining our economy but due to some rare but high profile cases we must enact harsh immigration reforms for what reason.........oh..........America First.

Personally I think a homeless man could wipe a better domestic policy off his *** than either of our presumed candidates.

Me..........I'm going to vote for Paul Ruebens......the Pee Wee Herman masturbating in the theater version.

It's a better moral choice than what our horse**** parties have offered up.

edit: Sorry. I overstepped myself. I apologize. I meant to say that I will vote for my hemmorrhoids rather than either candidate. I just want to be clear on this matter in hope of clearing that matter.

 

[metis]

Moody's evaluation of Trump's economic "plan" states that we would slip back into a recession and dramatically increase the deficit:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-economy-moodys-analysis-224535

Not so with Hillary's plan: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy-jobs-moodys/

OK, now expect to hear how Moody's supposedly is "corrupt" and/or "bought" by Hillary-- what else could the Trump supporters say? .

 

[FearGod]

Moody's evaluation of Trump's economic "plan" states that we would slip back into a recession and dramatically increase the deficit:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-economy-moodys-analysis-224535

Not so with Hillary's plan: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy-jobs-moodys/

OK, now expect to hear how Moody's supposedly is "corrupt" and/or "bought" by Hillary-- what else could the Trump supporters say? .

 

[Revoltingest]

Moody's evaluation of Trump's economic "plan" states that we would slip back into a recession and dramatically increase the deficit:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-economy-moodys-analysis-224535

Not so with Hillary's plan: http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy-jobs-moodys/

OK, now expect to hear how Moody's supposedly is "corrupt" and/or "bought" by Hillary-- what else could the Trump supporters say? .

Moody's analysis didn't consider the relatively greater risk that Hilda would enmesh us in another massive quagmire like Iraq.
It also didn't address the long term effects of her enlarging government & its authority over us.
Economists.....we'd be better off hiring palm readers.

Sorry about the reference, @Quagmire .

 

[metis]

Wow, what an intelligent response!

Seriously, is that really the best you can do? Maybe actually try and put forth a coherent argument with facts instead of posting a cartoon character like the above. If you are unable or unwilling to do so, then maybe I can find someone who can conduct a more adult alternative to that which I linked you to.

 

[FearGod]

Wow, what an intelligent response!

Seriously, is that really the best you can do? Maybe actually try and put forth a coherent argument with facts instead of posting a cartoon character like the above. If you are unable or unwilling to do so, then maybe I can find someone who can conduct a more adult alternative to that which I linked you to.

I think they should have some business courses in the Trump's organization.

 

[metis]

I think they should have some business courses in the Trump's organization.

I don't think Trump would be interested. After all, he said that he knows more about ISIS than even the generals, and yet some still want him to be president.