Pudding
Well-Known Member
Okay.
Who said God is HOLY?
Who said the Bible is holy?
Who said the Bible is not holy?
Reason for the above questions?
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Who said the Bible is holy?
Who said the Bible is not holy?
Reason for the above questions?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Life itself is Holy, we don't need to make it anymore complicated than that.
Some of us think the word was "OM"... But that is neither here nor there...
Who is this "they"? You seem to be making a blanket statement. Perhaps it applies to young Fundamentalists. idkfs. But would that apply to Quakers, Jesuits, Anabaptists (/Amish, Mennonites), Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Catholics, Methodists, Pentecostalists, Charismatics, Unitarians (who don't believe in the Trinity), et. al.?
There is a myriad of reasoning in the Christian world. For example, the Deists don't believe in there being such things as miracles. Therefore the miracles which Jesus spoke of, which he said he did, must have been inserted into the canon, they reason. By that same reasoning the miracles of the Old Testament have to also be discounted or rationalized away.
Consider Deuteronomy 8:3-5: "He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD. Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. "Thus you are to know in your heart that the LORD your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son." Compare to Jesus saying, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." It looks like a tense change, doesn't it? But is it really? The latter sounds like a commandment, doesn't it? It's a matter of realization, what the words "really mean". One starts by taking words literally, at face value, then as one's understanding grows the words are the same but the meaning is understood differently. Words, by themselves, are merely symbolic; mental fodder. Next consider Deuteronomy 6:5, "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Compare to Matthew 22:37, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." Pretty darn hard to do, isn't it? And so we fall back on rationalization, we become fragmented, hypocrites. The mind we know, the heart we think we know, but how does one know what the soul knows? Eastern religion says that the heart is the house of the soul. Jesus said what comes from one's heart defiles him if his words and actions are evil or causes hurt to others.
There's really nothing to debate. Matthew 7:4-5, "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [correcting his understanding] and behold, the log is in your own eye? ["behold"/realize: understand that you do not understand at all, or either.] Luke 6:41, "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
You can discuss, but who will debate? One can debate the meaning of words, but there is no truth in words because words are of the mind and the mind can say the same word with love or with hate; then one has to hear how the word is said to try to discern what its meaning is, or how it was meant. Consider the words of Genesis or Revelation - they can be misconstrued very easily because one reads the words and thinks he knows what they mean. We are all guilty of it. Two people hearing the same words will understand what is said differently. But it's all we have, at the time.
Amen, brother. But the truth is that we make it very complicated. Especially when we marry.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Oh my god, yea, marriage, that can be so complicated that's for sure, and the reason why I never married lol.Amen, brother. But the truth is that we make it very complicated. Especially when we marry.
They are everyone who believes the Bible can't be changed. I don't debate belief. God is who God is and debating it is vanity and opinions will never change God.
I believe God is Holy and does not change.
This is about everyone who believes the Bible is Holy and can't change.
I believe the Bible was changed, but they can not believe that because their soul is so sure it CAN'T change.
I learned that a person's soul means everything about the person inside and out. Heart means what they love. Mind means what they think. Strength means what work they do or don't do and soul means their life's situation.
Thank you for responding. It was very good and I agree.
IF God's purpose is not to come destroying but that is what they make the Bible say then teaching it will stop. If God's purpose is not to come destroying, but they keep teaching that it is to come destroying they will be stopped. For as long as they are not stopped they will discredit what Jesus says "God is love".
Matthew 24:1-25
Matthew 24:1-25
I don't see it as being the same.
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
I invited you to post examples of where Paul contradicts Jesus' teachings....none have been forthcoming so far.
LASTINGLIGHT
Member
Paul Contradicts Jesus
There are many. Not going to waste my time typing out things that most every one else already knows.
You want to know, click there. "voiceofjesusdotorg"
There are many. Not going to waste my time typing out things that most every one else already knows.
You want to know, click there. "voiceofjesusdotorg"
I've thought about an answer for you, as a Follower of Yeshua (Christian). The way I see it is this: Jesus/Yeshua is the Word of God. That does not mean that the Bible, whom a lot of people believe is the word of God, is equal to God. They mean it in different ways. When someone, like John (or whomever you believe wrote the gospel), called Jesus the Word of God, he meant something different: More like a spoken word. In the Tanakh (aka the OT), God spoke through prophets to relay His message. Since the majority of Christians believe that Jesus is God, that would mean God was speaking directly to His followers in the Christian scriptures (aka The NT)
The Bible, on the other hand, is believed by most Christians to be "God inspired": Written by men, but influenced by God. It is God's words. But not The Word.
The Bible would be, to us, The Message. No message is more important than the One who sent it, according to our beliefs.
Thank you. If you debate with some people they quote the Bible for all that they believe in. I think that if Jesus came, in the flesh like they expect, and he says anything contrary to what they think the Bible says, they won't believe it is he.