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I watch this atheist movie and the theme behind it was "Luck"

Is Luck the main determinant for one's life

  • Luck

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • God

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 81.3%

  • Total voters
    16

Monk Of Reason

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From a personal perspective there is usually a need or at the very least high likelyhood that one attempts to make sense of the world around them only from their own perspective. While there are truely random and chance driven thigns in this life its not usually so simple.

Luck and to a degree the colloquial term "chance" doesn't actually have anything to do with a kind of random outcome. What it really is, however, is the inability of our minds to recognize, obtain and process the impossibly high number of factors that are usually beyond any one person's control. If I throw out dice onto a table without any skill or intent to land it in a certain way one would usually agree that the dice roll was random. However this is actually not true in the real meaning of the term random. Once the dice leaves my hands it is already determined how they will land. If I knew the exact velocity, direction, rotation, distance ect I could mathmatically calculate how it would hit the table. And then if I knew how elasticity of both the dice and the table and I could calculate the exact force that it wold be put on the dice I could then extrapolate how it would bounce. Then rinse and repeate until I could determine mathmatically where they will end up.

If I had acess to the information needed I could always know what it would land on. The reverse is also true that if I could predict exactly at what speed/direction/distance from the table I let go of the dice I could choose my roll.

And this is how we live our lives. We live our lives with such limited information that things seem random. Cognition throws a bit of a wrench into everything but there is a high probability that what we "decide" is determiend by factors beyond our control. Though we can't know for sure. However we do know that there are factors that have major roles in our decision making. These factors can be changed and thus our mind's changed.

So when you say "luck" is the determining factor I would say no. We have the cognitive ability to function in life but only so much information to do so with. Thus it gives us the illusion of luck.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
The atheist director Woody Allen seems to be saying that "luck" is what determines one's life.

If so, then what is luck?

Here is an example. An accountant is cheating on his company and takes a few dollars out every day and transfers it into his account. He is able to explain to everyone what the cost is and where it goes. It's only a few dollars, so it is not noticed right away. An auditor finds out and makes a report, but dies of a heart attack the day he is supposed to turn in his report. The cheater gets away with for fifty years and retires a wealthy man.

Or a man robs an AM-PM gas station. He takes a few hundred dollars, but on the way out he punches himself a lottery ticket and wins $100 million dollars. He is caught on tape for the robbery, but is able to hire a lawyer with his winnings to defend him to keep him out of jail. He ends up with an easy life.

Is luck the biggest factor to determine one's life or is there something else?

To expand it to another level, it was luck that invisible particles caused the Big Bang and the universe that we live in. Or it was luck that amino acids formed the first protein and eventually a simple life form in the universe.

Luck is a big factor, of course. It is luck whether you are born into one religion or the other. It is luck whether your parents are religious or atheist or agnostic or indifferent. Luck dogs you all through life. But preparation and knowledge and skill can stack the deck for you.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
When people are lucky, they tend to think that they were actually good.

When other people are good, others tend to think that they are lucky.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I recently enjoyed an atheist movie. It's not really a religious movie. However, the director sounds like he is one or has become one from his comments. See his quote below. I can tell you it's about a former tennis pro who thinks luck is the supreme determinant in life. In other words, from an atheist pov, if there is no God, then it's "luck" which is the supreme determinant for one's life. It's a neo-noir movie.

The video got good reviews and is from 2005. The first hour sets up the characters and circumstances. The last hour takes us into some twists and turns.

It's called Match Point.

"One reason for the fascination of Woody Allen's "Match Point" is that each and every character is rotten. This is a thriller not about good versus evil, but about various species of evil engaged in a struggle for survival of the fittest -- or, as the movie makes clear, the luckiest. "I'd rather be lucky than good," Chris, the tennis pro from Ireland, tells us as the movie opens, and we see a tennis ball striking the net - it is pure luck which side it falls on. Chris' own good fortune depends on just such a lucky toss of a coin." - Roger Ebert

Match Point Movie Review & Film Summary (2006) | Roger Ebert

“To you, I'm an atheist.
To God, I'm the loyal opposition.”
Woody Allen
Luck is a fun superstition. Its not really associated with atheism.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I recently enjoyed an atheist movie. It's not really a religious movie. However, the director sounds like he is one or has become one from his comments. See his quote below. I can tell you it's about a former tennis pro who thinks luck is the supreme determinant in life. In other words, from an atheist pov, if there is no God, then it's "luck" which is the supreme determinant for one's life. It's a neo-noir movie.

The video got good reviews and is from 2005. The first hour sets up the characters and circumstances. The last hour takes us into some twists and turns.

It's called Match Point.

"One reason for the fascination of Woody Allen's "Match Point" is that each and every character is rotten. This is a thriller not about good versus evil, but about various species of evil engaged in a struggle for survival of the fittest -- or, as the movie makes clear, the luckiest. "I'd rather be lucky than good," Chris, the tennis pro from Ireland, tells us as the movie opens, and we see a tennis ball striking the net - it is pure luck which side it falls on. Chris' own good fortune depends on just such a lucky toss of a coin." - Roger Ebert

Match Point Movie Review & Film Summary (2006) | Roger Ebert

“To you, I'm an atheist.
To God, I'm the loyal opposition.”
Woody Allen

Everybody's own fortune depends on the equivalent of the toss of a coin. In languages like Italian, luck and fortune use the same word.

Which is obvious, at least on average. Do you think you were born in the first world at the right time because of your merits?

Do you think that children that starve to death, or are killed by a bomb, an earthqake, etc. died because they made something wrong?

Ciao

- viole
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Luck is a fun superstition. Its not really associated with atheism.

Last point first. I got that from the movie's director. From the discussion here, it does not have to do with atheism.

Oh no on the first point. The whole point of the thread is luck is very real and supreme luck rules all. Or else we could predict the outcome of many events. People who court or avoid luck are superstitious.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Last point first. I got that from the movie's director. From the discussion here, it does not have to do with atheism.

Oh no on the first point. The whole point of the thread is luck is very real and supreme luck rules all. Or else we could predict the outcome of many events. People who court or avoid luck are superstitious.
Even I enjoy playing at luck. I know full well it's about numerology and odds for which "resets" each instance of the throw of the proverbial dice.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Everybody's own fortune depends on the equivalent of the toss of a coin. In languages like Italian, luck and fortune use the same word.

Which is obvious, at least on average. Do you think you were born in the first world at the right time because of your merits?

Do you think that children that starve to death, or are killed by a bomb, an earthqake, etc. died because they made something wrong?

Ciao

- viole

The toss of a coin could be part of it. It could the turn of a card or some set of circumstances happen that cause you to be in the right place at the right time.

I tend to think like this director in the sense that if you were born into fortune or got good parents, then you were lucky. However, it still depends on what one does with their good luck or fortune. In other words, their new luck starts from that point on.

I don't think they did anything wrong. However, if we look at each case, then it could be that did something wrong or their thinking was wrong. For example, someone who is hasty can get into an accident. Someone who is stubborn and won't change their ways such as smoking could get cancer and die early. Prior to it, there's usually warnings from God. However, their good or bad luck isn't brought by God.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Even I enjoy playing at luck. I know full well it's about numerology and odds for which "resets" each instance of the throw of the proverbial dice.

I do, too, when I have money I can blow. Dice players know how to pick up and roll the dice so it favors them. Supreme luck in nature and dice rules all. The dice turn hot and you have the good feeling that you can't lose. You see the casino manager being called over, but it doesn't matter. You know you're going home with a bundle.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
He's not really an atheist when he calls himself the "loyal opposition to God"?
This is an example of one of those strange things that atheists sometimes do that theists don't understand. Among atheists, this is called a "joke" (jōk).

Google it.
 
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