"Iceland Could Become first Country to Ban Male Circumcision"

[Skwim]

I don't buy into male circumcision as being mutilation unless the surgery is botched somehow. It was a valiant effort though.

Hey, to each his own. You don't think circumcision is body mutilation and I don't think having window-rattling sex before marriage is bad.

Female circumcision, um, no... just, no.

Ah, sexism is alive and well.

 

[Koldo]

"Iceland could become the first country in Europe to ban male circumcision, prompting criticism from religious groups about the ritual practiced in both Judaism and Islam.

The legislation being debated by Iceland’s Parliament would impose a six-year jail term on anyone who “removes part or all of (a child’s) sexual organs” for nonmedical reasons.

“It’s an attack on freedom of religion,” Ahmad Seddeeq, the Egyptian-born imam of the Islamic Cultural Center of Iceland, said Monday (Feb. 19).

Iceland outlawed female genital mutilation in 2005, in line with other nations, to prevent procedures that intentionally alter or injure female genital organs for nonmedical reasons.

“We are talking about children’s rights, not about freedom of belief,” she said when she introduced the bill in early February. “Everyone has the right to believe in what they want, but the rights of children come above the right to believe.”

About 336,000 people live in Iceland, including 250 Jews and 1,500 Muslims, according to government statistics and Seddeeq.


The religious ritual of male circumcision, or removing the foreskin from the penis, generally occurs shortly after birth, during childhood or around puberty as a rite of passage. Jews and Muslims typically circumcise their sons to confirm or mark their relationship with God.

In the United States, 98 percent of Jewish men are circumcised, according to the world agency [the World Health Organization]. The organization also said there is substantial evidence that male circumcision protects against diseases, such as urinary tract infections, syphilis, invasive penile cancer and HIV.
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So, is the prohibition of circumcision really an unjustified attack on freedom of religion?

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Congrats to Iceland!

 

[joe1776]

So in Iceland prostitution is legal but participating in divinely established covenant by circumcising is not.

With prostitution, there's no innocent victim harmed.

 

[Skwim]

And all too often this is what happens with people who have been circumcised

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They start compensating for the loss.

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[ADigitalArtist]

Not a fan of circumcision at all but especially not preformed on infants. If it's really an important holy ritual, people can show devotion by choosing to do it as adults.

 

[Srivijaya]

It's certainly one way to curb Muslim and Jewish immigration, I'll give them that.

To be honest, that thought occurred to me when I heard this on the radio a few days back. I did wonder whether there wasn't just a tiny bit of that consideration in there too.

In the event, parents will just opt for a short holiday abroad with their baby boy.

 

[joe1776]

Not a fan of circumcision at all but especially not preformed on infants. If it's really an important holy ritual, people can show devotion by choosing to do it as adults.

I think, in Torah, God specifies eight days after birth..

However, there are other commands of God in their Torah that Jews ignore such as the killing of disobedient children.

 

[Enoch07]

Child mutilation isn't important? Okay, I guess we know how you line up your priorities.

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So I am guessing you are against children transitioning then?

U.S. parents accept children's transgender identity by age three

Considering transitioning to a different sex entirely is way more intense than a small flap of skin.

Puberty blocker - Wikipedia

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I don't buy into male circumcision as being mutilation

How is it not mutilation?

 

[Father Heathen]

So in Iceland prostitution is legal but participating in divinely established covenant by circumcising is not.

As it should be. Prostitution is a victimless crime between consenting adults and should be a matter of personal freedom. An infant can't really consent to having his genitals "divinely" disfigured. When they become adults, they can elect to have the procedure done should they so choose.

 

[Enoch07]

An infant can't consent to an abortion either but hey a what's a flap of skin vs a cluster of cells am I right!?!

 

[Koldo]

So I am guessing you are against children transitioning then?

U.S. parents accept children's transgender identity by age three

Considering transitioning to a different sex entirely is way more intense than a small flap of skin.

Puberty blocker - Wikipedia

Regardless of how one views the transitioning issue, circumcision in babies is a different beast because the baby can't express any form of consent whatsoever.

 

[Enoch07]

Regardless of how one views the transitioning issue, circumcision in babies is a different beast because the baby can't express any form of consent whatsoever.

So your saying a 3 year old is capable of consent?

 

[Father Heathen]

So I am guessing you are against children transitioning then?

U.S. parents accept children's transgender identity by age three

Considering transitioning to a different sex entirely is way more intense than a small flap of skin.

Puberty blocker - Wikipedia

I am. That's something that should require them to be fully mature and completely certain, having a entire understanding of what they're about to undergo.

 

[Koldo]

So your saying a 3 year old is capable of consent?

The pedophiles around you rejoice!

What ?
I was talking about the puberty blockers. Puberty blockers aren't given to 3 years old.

 

[Father Heathen]

How is it not mutilation?

It's being surgically altered from it's natural appearance for non medical reasons.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

It's being surgically altered from it's natural appearance for non medical reasons.

Right, I was asking @YmirGF how he figures. I think you might have misread me

I agree it's mutilation.

 

[Father Heathen]

Right, I was asking @YmirGF how he figures.

Ah, right, sorry.

 

[Enoch07]

What ?
I was talking about the puberty blockers. Puberty blockers aren't given to 3 years old.

3 years old can't consent. Their brains are not developed enough to make life altering decisions.

 

[Koldo]

3 years old can't consent. Their brains are not developed enough to make life altering decisions.

Exactly! That's why circumcision on them is so abhorrent. It is an unnecessary practice that can be done later on if they want to.