Much more reliable than 40% of 10,000
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IDF publishes unedited footage showing Hamas equipment in al-Shifa hospital
- Thread starter Harel13
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Yes, this footage is from after the fighting.
It's not any personal beef with Jayhawker.
It's that I have friends risking their necks and could die at any given minute, and at any moment a rocket could fall atop my home and you guys would probably never know it (who'd update you if my computer and phone are destroyed too?), and meanwhile there are people here who completely ignore hundreds or thousands of terror attacks that have occurred over the decades, completely ignore what happened last time Israel gave a ton of weapons to the Palestinian Authority, ignore the cheering of regular civilians as Hamas paraded Shani Louk's half-naked body through the steets of Gaza, ignore that half of the Gazan blockade is most certainly in the hands of Egypt, ignore that the world has not taken in a single Gazan refugee, ignore that the worst human rights violateors sit on the UN's human rights council, ignore that LGBT people are murdered in Gaza and the PA, ignore that there are 0 Jews living in Gaza while there are millions of 100% equal rights Arab citizens in Israel, deny that there differences between foreign non-citizens and naturalized citizens - but only in the case of Israel, ignore that Israel found rocket launchers in civilian buildings, including a local boy scouts clubhouse, think Israel should agree to a ceasefire which would most definitely allow Hamas to regain its strength and launch many more terror attacks at Israel (as has happened many times in the past), and meanwhile laugh or cry in dismay at the IDF not meeting their expectations for the amount of weaponry and equipment to be found somewhere already stated to only being above the main command center.
So yes, I am asking what a lay person expected to find in the hospital.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Your last question is what leads to genuine puzzlement. If the "command center" is in a tunnel UNDER the hospital, why are snipers firing INTO the hospital? The doctors posting from there describe no fighting IN the hospital, just snipers firing at anything that moved before they came in.
When the IDF came in, they evidently searched the place, and found what little they found. Which brings me to my second puzzlement: the IDF has been using the fact that Hamas is IN the hospital to justify snipers, cutting off electricity, and bombing the area.
But when they went in, there were no Hamas fighters nor HQ there. And if this was supposed to be the base for Hamas operations, as they claimed, I would expect to see more evidence of it being a command center/HQ than what they posted.
And if the hospital is merely ABOVE the command center, then what is the point of the snipers firing INTO the hospital? I can see that they would want to gain entrance to the tunnels there, but since the tunnels may have been BUILT by Israel in 1983 or so, don't they KNOW where the entrances are? See below for the fact check on that.
"The bunker, reportedly constructed decades ago, includes a secure underground operating room and tunnel network.
Reports by left-wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz and other outlets have specifically mentioned the hospital's Building No. 2, which it says was built as an add-on in the mid-1980s and contains a large cement basement initially intended for laundry and administrative tasks.
The excavation of the underground concrete floor was corroborated by online English-language Israeli publication Ynetnews.
Last week, IDF spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, said in a series of media briefings that the nation's intelligence has proven that Hamas occupies the bunker as its main command area."
The fact check concludes: Multiple sources have corroborated that a bunker or basement was built at Israel's discretion in the 1980s.
Fact check: Did Israel build bunker under Shifa Hospital?
Israel Defense Forces on Wednesday entered Gaza's largest hospital, which it says houses Hamas' main command center.
www.newsweek.com
So *that's* what the layperson sees.
Indeed yes. That's the difference between Israel and Hamas.
NB: I'm not saying I agree with everything Israel has done and is doing, but the difference between them is stark.
And FWIW, al Jazeera turned away when an Arab complained about Hamas being in the hospital.
Unless there's reliable new info, it
appears that the claim is unsupported.
Unlike partisans, I say it's about the
evidence, not taking a side that it must've
happened, or that it couldn't have happened
You win. I wouldn't consider trying to compete against such an emotional "argument."
Nor will I attempt to explain the Haaretz update noting:
The IDF has taken down a social media post uploaded on Thursday to X, formerly Twitter, in which weapons allegedly found inside Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital were documented.
No explanation for the deletion of the post was given by the IDF.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Dunno about beheaded, but certainly tied and shot.
Israel releases images of slain children to rally support
Israel's government showed U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and NATO defence ministers graphic images of dead children and civilians on Thursday, saying they were killed by Palestinian group Hamas as it builds support for its response.
Yes, it appears that to Israel & its apologists,Dunno about beheaded, but certainly tied and shot.
Israel releases images of slain children to rally support
Israel's government showed U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and NATO defence ministers graphic images of dead children and civilians on Thursday, saying they were killed by Palestinian group Hamas as it builds support for its response.www.reuters.com
to tie & shoot children in Israel is wrong.
But to bomb far more children in Gaza is good.
Perhaps because large scale massacres by
bombing are impersonal?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Both are heinous, but premeditated intentional murder of children by physically tying and then shooting them by Hamas is far far worse.
Know of any Israelis that did stuff like that up and close?
Consider that some of us also have people we love and care about in Gaza and the West Bank, and meanwhile there are people justifying or ignoring what the IDF and violent settlers have done, from the heavy bombardment of densely populated areas to killing a man in his olive grove, even though any of our friends or their family members could be killed in a bombing. Those people are noncombatants, too.
This is a two-way street, and the only way I see out of it is mutual empathy and reciprocal valuing of human life.
I wish you and your friends safety as I do mine and other Palestinian civilians.
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Amen
Because premeditated intentional murder of
children by remote control is far far better?
This raises a question....
If Hamas switches to using missiles & tanks
to kill children in Israel, would this be a great
improvement in morality?
I suppose they should show you pictures of beheaded people...
What do you believe?
Did they kill babies?
Did they take babies as hostages?
Did the split open a pregnant woman?
Did they kill children in front of mothers or visa versa?
What have you found support for?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Hamas- let's go and tie up these kids and then we shoot them dead.
Israel- let's kill hamas and hope there are no children in the vicinity, although there is a possibility of that.
See the mentality?
If it really matters so much to you how someone were
killed (bombing being more saintly than beheading),
I'd expect some support for the claim.
But to save you time (& face), I'll state that I find it
no more ethical to kill by impersonal remote control
of unidentified crowds, than to kill specific individuals
up close & personal using edged weapons.
Yes.
Yes.
Don't know.
Don't know.
From you....bupkis.
Questions for you....
Did Israel kill Palestinian babies?
Did Israel kill pregnant Palestinian women & their unborn?
Did Israel kill children in front of mothers or visa versa?
Did Israel do all these killings on a greater scale than did Hamas?
Israel's "hope" to not kill children appears to be
mere dishonest propaganda. 5,000+ dead
children, & far more maimed shows intent to
kill children.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm sure Israel captures and ties up kids (probably terrified crying and screaming) and shoots them dead like Hamas does.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Remember, Palestinian terrorists are always given the benefit of doubt because the Jews are just guilty (hopefully) of war crimes! Show all the elaborate tunnels you want but unless you show the giant underground command center and a confession by Hamas then, well, the IDF prolly put those tunnels there before filming!
Colt
Well-Known Member
And Jewish bankers somewhere in there!