McBell
Unbound
If it happens we will let you know...
Since it hasn't happened here in the real world.
What do ducks have to do with it?
Wait...
Let me guess, something to do with a quack perhaps?
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If a god is truly beyond our understanding
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Since it hasn't happened here in the real world.
Wait...
Let me guess, something to do with a quack perhaps?
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Dude,
I was talking to science_is_my_god.
I was making a joke about his name.
If you paid attention to my "logical proof" you'd see that I specifically said his god, not God in general.
You are an *****.
** Censored because I'm sure it violates one of the rules of this forum.
I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.
1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
I believe that this refers to the after life and resurrection, the Lord coming with the clouds, at judgement day Luk 21:27 And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
One thing is to know Him and another to know about Him, to know about Him, we read the scriptures, to know Him you must ask for His mercy
logician
Well-Known Member
Mean SOB
Bishadi
Active Member
So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)
A man! Just like any of mankind, like you! The only difference is 'integrity' to the truth and in this "man's' world each defining frame of this man is for the most part incorrect. That man is not special it is the choice that was made; the knowledge to be understood, that is the importance.
It is by knowledge that each person can be equal with each other, with god, of god, to know god, and walk as pure with the good of god.
An after life is by what you do, note how long people have been speaking 'do unto other as ....' by confucious....... he is still alive in his gift to us by the compassion of his choice...
Just as JC contributed, darwin, newton, etc etc etc..... contibutions and the gift to combine knowledge for the next generation to understand.
resurection has never occurred in all existence; why believe what has never occurred.
The first clue is a fib of magic or omnipotencemust be used to describe the method of the physical causation.
All based on faith; not evidence of a universal truth.
Knowing god is as easy is watching a bird or looking to nature as it represents the true evolution of life. To know about god is simply to learn. To know god in physical of literally reality is simply to experience life without any predeterminations of any needs, desires or wants; simply love life and be thankful each moment you can experience.
To be like god; give of your energy for life to continue. Plant a tree in good soil, with good water and give it love; when you die, that life will live beyond you and to all them critters, bees and birds, you were the god who created that existence in that period of time.
Easy to understand?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
The book of Romans states that all things created know their creator. Perhaps the complete understanding you seek is not part of the plan. There is a difference between knowledge and understanding and this requires faith. This is something that the Bible requires.
You are looking for something you will not find in this life. Looking harder will not help.
Bishadi
Active Member
Integrity darling........ requires integrity!
The bible requires nothing, it is a book written by men.
Integrity is where knowledge and understanding both combine for the truth.
Without knowledge the truth could never exist. Without understanding, religions rule!
Remember the old line;
'let him who hath understanding'
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Originally Posted by emiliano I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be.
So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)
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But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Consider what the verse says: “we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is“ it says to me that at judgement day we shall see the glorified Lord Jesus in our glorified bodies, our sacred book teaches Joh 7:39 (But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.) what we will see the Lord in all His glory, we can only do this in our glorify new bodies, the one we will have at judgement day. In our passage through this life and in this corruptible body we can not see this, we are commanded to walk this life by faith and not by sight, we know that He is truth by faith.
Is vanity (it will pass away) this knowledge does not give eternal life therefore is not what I would pursuit with all my being.
Originally Posted by emiliano I am a Christian and believe that this is an impossible task this side of life.1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be.
So that means how could any at the time know what the 'truth' is. (it has not yet been reveled what we shall be)
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But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Consider what the verse says: “we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is“ it says to me that at judgement day we shall see the glorified Lord Jesus in our glorified bodies, our sacred book teaches Joh 7:39 (But He spoke this about the Spirit, which they who believed on Him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.) what we will see the Lord in all His glory, we can only do this in our glorify new bodies, the one we will have at judgement day. In our passage through this life and in this corruptible body we can not see this, we are commanded to walk this life by faith and not by sight, we know that He is truth by faith.
No we don’t believe that, what we believe is that we will be in a glorified body like he is, he is the first and the head, He was glorified and so shall we.
Our knowledge is limited by our present bodies, its limits us by constantly demanding the attention of our minds, and is constantly disturbed by a myriad of desires, infirmities and emotions, we will stand on that day in a body that has none of this disturbances, we shall be like Him.
Jesus contribution is eternal life, darwin, newton, etc etc etc..... contibutions and the gift to combine knowledge for the next generation to understand.
Is vanity (it will pass away) this knowledge does not give eternal life therefore is not what I would pursuit with all my being.
Bishadi
Active Member
Actually if each have the same knowledge of how life exists then each can create an existence by choice. Try planting a tree and see. That tree will far out live your body and to the birds, the bees and all the little critters, you were the creator of that environment.
Just as mentioned with 'good' (supports life) knowledge, we each by choice can create life for 'life to continue.'
This is all about what can be had for you and not existence. To think that you will receive new bodies is a complete deception and maybe why the selfish enjoy to idea of faith.
First remember many sects are oppressive. Meaning they want you to believe you are less than equal. By limiting knowledge and professing knowledge cannot be known, then realize it is not by god, but by deception of men/women to men/women. Knowledge and comprehending is what makes man equal to each other.
Great wisdom
No the vanity is faith in magic. Faith in omnipotence and faith in not having to be responsible for your actions and hoping for a magic man to wave a wand and save you from all the negative impositions (sins) you left upon the world.
That my friend is vain.
Equality comes from knowledge and the choice to learn and then give to the next generations for them to have the chance your fathers/mothers did not. It takes effort to learn and the first requisite is humility as the second is honesty.
Be humble to what little you know (read more than one book, please)
And Be honest with every piece of knowledge learned. Evolve within this world and give so the next generation has something of quality for to build from.
That is how we as gods children compassionately contribute for life to continue; forget about the self and think of the total; we the people.
Our future needs each and every one of you to first be completely true to yourself and existence.
Bishadi, First of all and in order to understand each other better, Vanity as used in the Bible means with an end (that it passes away , that it has limits) eternity doesn’t, Knowledge also has an end the knowledge of those that you mentioned has already been replace by new ones, on that day of judgement God will put an end to all human knowledge, with the absolute truth “ we shall see him as He is.
I agree with you on this “Equality comes from knowledge ”But we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is (wisdom, truth itself)
I agree with you on this “Equality comes from knowledge ”But we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is (wisdom, truth itself)
Bishadi
Active Member
So what do you see?
Do any of the words share equality? Is it possible that the universal knowledge granting equality could be based in understanding light and the pure physical comprehension of how the natural existence of life works, could be the combining knowledge that breaks all barriers of culture?
For to understand God, and find the truth in nature and the contributions of men (knowledge; words), then as the evolution continues, that final revealing is Understanding!
(wisdom, the truth itself)
perfect!
No man is perfect: follow the words of knowledge for that 'wisdom, the truth itself.'
All a man/women can do is make the choice!
Now that is the 'golden key,' ............ to understanding 'light.'
What Ive been telling you God is beyond our understanding, the opening post says I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence this is finite mind in search of understanding of an infinity mind.
I think that seeking knowledge is a good thing and it brings understanding (light) just dont get frustrated if you dont get a final answer or dont understand what other people believe,:shout
Ill say it again we know that when He shall be revealed (at that day), we shall be like Him (equality in knowledge), for we shall see Him as He is.
Not this side of life, but there will come a day in which we will be, I understand perfect as lacking in absolutely nothing, lacking nothing in knowledge, we will see His as He is, lacking nothing in life, we will have an eternal one.
Yes they can also choose not to make a choice and live in hope and trusting in whom they believe.
My golden key is hope, faith and trust, if you key delivers the happiness that you are in pursuit of, congratulations. And I hope that this is a good answer for science is my God, if this fails I would recommend mine.
Bishadi
Active Member
How about a notion of existence itself?What Ive been telling you God is beyond our understanding, the opening post says I often use logic and reasoning to try to grasp the notion of a "god", and although I have tried many times before to accept a god's existence this is finite mind in search of understanding of an infinity mind.
Nature and everything around you. Such as the get MET line of thought. (all mass, energy, time; the total) It seems since the old works shares not to describe as well still the alpha-omega, and then in science even Einstein noted the interrelation of all mass by a 'spooky action' (entanglement) which there is a method of combining the three (MET) so that science is returned to fundamental foundations as well offering descriptions to undescribed phenomenon.
Noting what others believe and accepting opinions as just that, is what interactions and socializing is a for (forums). It is the diversity that offers the various pieces to the puzzle.
SO what is wrong with today? As anyone can go online and observe the library of congress but since magic does not place the words into memory and thought; knowledge must still be sought, to be understood.
The cycles of time; eternal. And to recognize that which is all around you and the skills of survival; not much wanting, unless for the self, of things.
That again is strictly a choice which often shares itself in complacency. But as each new generation is born, many do not simply roll over to complacency and even may suggest 'science is my god.' i.e.... wanting the truth!
It seems that most start off with someone elses but in time many find within themselves and within the diversity of 'truth' that in order to comprehend; often it takes trust in yourself and your own integrity versus maintaining hope in 'theirs.'
This have been dealt with, with the argument of intelligent design, I am sure that this has been presented to Science is my God several times, the watch maker argument, he requires more, but the problem is that He set His mind with the pre-conceived premise “there is no God”
Well, here we have a problem, if this person tries to grasp the notion of a "god", under MET premises an answer is impossible. From my point of view
( I am a Christian) Mass, God is a Spirit , He has no mass although He is it creator, Energy, God is all the energy that existed in the beginning (the Alpha, first mover of the creation), Time, God exist outside of Time (He is eternal), Total, God is the total the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the Omega.
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I am sure that Science is my god has accessed this resources and the puzzle is still there, and we are unable to give a better solution than: God is beyond human understanding, we can only receive this spiritual wisdom from God.
Exo 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all workmanship,
There are no libraries that can contain this spiritual knowledge at this time.
1Ki 3:12 behold, I have done according to your words. Lo, I have given you a wise and an understanding heart, so that there was none like you before you, and after you none shall arise like you.
Phi 4:7 And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
The Christian belief is that only God can give us the spiritual knowledge to understand Him, If will that you shall have, you will, if He wills your Salvation, you will be Saved. Col 1:9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding,
This worked for me, this is how I came to faith, doe it have to the same for everybody? No, this is how He became my Lord and Saviour, other will be called and receive God’s Mercy in a personal way. He has Mercy on whom He wants and when He will.
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Do you know anything about set theory. I put it this way. If a being existed which created the universe as well as the natural laws which we perceive than that being would exist outside the set of our understanding. In other words...the entire collective of human experience would reside within the set of God and we could not conceive the totality of a being which extends beyond the set of our experience.
It is beyond this notion in which faith resides and I have found to be personally irrelevant in understanding the set of the universe in which we ascribe meaning.
Bishadi
Active Member
The only thing perfect about the term intelligent design would be if you find engineering material to review and it works. Meaning my chevy was created by intelligent design.
There is no religion that will share the total interrelation of knowledge as MET will share; the absolute truth behind the matters.
How can you say that?
A form of mass and energy exchanging is how you can type into that terminal. No theological representation ever shared the knowledge to comprehend that. Same goes with just about every vaccine on earth or even how to tie your shoes.
So imagine a world of small pox or rampant malaria, maybe even without aspirin or even to live without a car.
In each case knowledge (mankind) is the creator of the physical descriptions (the words to articulate the terms). In which all operate within the confines of mass and energy as man continues to define them. The descriptions may vary but all the same within mass, energy and time
.......literally within the confines of the total; God. (Alpha-omega.)
it would be like seeing someone ride a bike and then in the manual it says, you are not capable to ride this bike
Why believe what one opinion suggests? Is it to be accepted? To belong?
Maybe read a few others opinions, ask a few questions or maybe observe how it works before falling to the complacency of that the single opinion or literature. Especially if that literature was from people who never owned a bike.
This would be someone to pay attention too.
Then I can ask him what the MeV of the higgs boson or graviton is without having the trillion dollar expense to our country (and global community).
Maybe ask how to address diabetes or how to address the worlds energy needs.
And why there is no windows updated in the new testament.
But the best question would be about how am I alive?
So for one to say, do unto others as thy would have done unto you . is this not perfect wisdom?
That to say, each is One with the universe . Is this not perfect wisdom?
What about, eat or you will die and even at the first suckle mom showed you; not the bible.
Is that why they suggest let him who hath understanding recognize the number of the birth. For it is a period in time, the 6th month of the 66th year .. in a period where knowledge is simply at the finger tips of any who have a computer.
Where the heart to pursue that knowledge is within the compassion to simply understand.
Seems when the choice of a human is to reach the stars, in less than a 100 years, they are standing on the moon.
In the day of the bibles creators if a man said, we are going to the moon, your logic represents, they would call him a liar, cut off his head, burn his books and then call him an anti Christ or something crazy like that.
[qutoe] Phi 4:7 And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus [/quote] And MET, passes all tests of understanding except that unless knowledge is pursued nothing in existence can fix the ignorance of the complacent.
If each life intended only to read one book for comprehension, then I could see how hope could be maintained as the core to faith; each would know very little else to understand.
So to have a revealing, seems the choice to understand is that first premise.
And since we are in a world that literally offers that ability, it seems prudent that to be honest with yourself, never represent a false witnessing and always retain the compassion of humility over and above the needs of the self.
Let see, the fist inquiry would be, I see my chevy, it exist, Dit it created it self. No, it has a creator, an engineer. Did this engineer created him self. No he didn’t, he has a creator, now is this creator intelligent……… everything in this chain seems to be perfectly working for a purpose, thus He is very intelligent.
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That’s the problem, God the subject of the inquiry is a spirit (no mass) and we are going nowhere, our only hope is that He gives us spiritual wisdom, then and only then our intellect can ascend to spiritual knowledge. God, truth itself, the greatest conceivable being.
I have to re-direct this one to Science is my God, I am not in doubts, he is, I am not seeking, I know all I need to know for now.
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What would you do with this knowledge?
That was taken care of, they are called dietary laws (checked it out in the OT)
It would be perfect if everybody abide by them, but we don’t so it isn’t prefect it lacks something that only God can gives us, and He will at the appointed time (His time, not ours)
Again, this is wisdom, but perfect wisdom?
Babies are born with an instinct, as soon as the baby’s side of it face touches the breast it triggers the reflex and the baby searches and suckles they don’t need to be shown.
kai
ragamuffin
its snake oil , when the going gets tough God (any of them) becomes unknowable beyond our comprehension.
McBell
Unbound
Funny how this is always presented using inanimate (meaning not living) objects.
God did not create me, my parents did.