If All the Prophets Were Muslims, Then What Is Islam?

[wizanda]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

You make good points this post. I don't think they've formed a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God because such religions already existed - to do so with that as a focus is unnecessary. I think the Arabs started their own religion and have become obsessed with all the excess minutiae they have tacked on despite it clearly not being necessary for all the people they declared to be Muslim prophets before Muhammad to worship God.

 

[LuisDantas]

The way I see it, Islam is not a religion, but an obsession with the idea of a sole, creator God.

 

[DawudTalut]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, I believe all Prophets brought teaching with essence 'believe in and pay right of One God and pay rights of God's creation'.....

Holy Quran
[ch42:v14] He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying, ‘Remain steadfast in obedience, and be not divided therein. Hard upon the idolaters is that to which thou callest them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns to Him.’


The message continued to evolve in details.


At Quran, message became perfect:
[ch4: from5 th v] ".........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion........"

Five pillars of Islam [God, angels, prophets, books, day of judgmenst] were included in one or other way in previous religions....If they are not seen today, it would be due to corruption.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, I believe all Prophets brought teaching with essence 'believe in and pay right of One God and pay rights of God's creation'.....

Holy Quran
[ch42:v14] He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying, ‘Remain steadfast in obedience, and be not divided therein. Hard upon the idolaters is that to which thou callest them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns to Him.’


The message continued to evolve in details.


At Quran, message became perfect:
[ch4: from5 th v] ".........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion........"

Five pillars of Islam [God, angels, prophets, books, day of judgmenst] were included in one or other way in previous religions....If they are not seen today, it would be due to corruption.

That's weird because I have not once heard God say once:
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Christianity as religion. Where was this before.
Where was Islam?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya Muslim understanding, I believe all Prophets brought teaching with essence 'believe in and pay right of One God and pay rights of God's creation'.....

Holy Quran
[ch42:v14] He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying, ‘Remain steadfast in obedience, and be not divided therein. Hard upon the idolaters is that to which thou callest them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He pleases, and guides to Himself him who turns to Him.’


The message continued to evolve in details.


At Quran, message became perfect:
[ch4: from5 th v] ".........This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as religion........"

Five pillars of Islam [God, angels, prophets, books, day of judgmenst] were included in one or other way in previous religions....If they are not seen today, it would be due to corruption.

Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Is this allah or words actually sort of a morphed Paul.
As you posted: Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying, ‘Remain steadfast in obedience, and be not divided therein.
I know that I watched many denounce paul in islam but Im really starting to wonder.

 

[idav]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

The whole thing is a huge debacle. All having to do with the prophet Abraham having sons, Isaac and Ishmael, from two different women, and its been pretty much downhill from there. Both sons taking claim to gods promise of being a chosen people. Muslims hijack everything, they claim both lines by saying all the Jewish prophets belonging to them and they hijacked Jesus, while claiming the religions based on these characters are wrong. A classic case of wanting to have cake and eat it too.

 

[wizanda]

Five pillars of Islam [God, angels, prophets, books, day of judgmenst] were included in one or other way in previous religions...

They weren't tho....

1. No one had to say shahada, and believe in Muhammad as the last prophet.
2. Yeshua told people not to pray on street corners or in the synagogue, to be seen before others.... Not to recite the same prayers.... None of the prophets made strict prayer times, this comes from made up Rabbinic tradition.
   
3. Yeshua said make all your wealth for the poor; not only 10%, which comes from the Torah.
4. Ritualistic fasting did exist within Judaism.
5. There clearly was no making a pilgrimage to anywhere, to stand bowing before a wall like the Jews do.

If they are not seen today, it would be due to corruption.

The Quran doesn't even state them categorically as things you must do to follow Islam, and since the prophets didn't know this list....

Then clearly that has nothing to do with what the prophets followed as being Islam.

Where was Islam?

Actually Yeshua did say about following Islam (to submit to peace [of God]), that isn't the point of the topic tho....

Luke 17:10 Even so you also, when you have done all the things that are commanded you, say, ‘We are unworthy servants. We have done our duty.’”

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God.

A classic case of wanting to have cake and eat it too.

I'm more looking is there a way we can all eat the same cake, by taking all the allergy sprinkles off the top.

 

[idav]

I'm more looking is there a way we can all eat the same cake, by taking all the allergy sprinkles off the top.

Ha, thats probably possible for Muslims who manage to show some respect to the religions they hijacked.

 

[DawudTalut]

That's weird because I have not once heard God say once:
This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Christianity as religion. Where was this before.
Where was Islam?

Peace be on you.
The nascent Christianity [which believed in One God and Jesus as Prophet in Moses' despensation] was a version of Islam. It told followers more teaching to come. That is why Hazrat Jesus (on whom be peace ) said:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment ... I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

"Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you". (John 16:7-15)

More https://www.alislam.org/library/books/true-christianity-leads-to-islam.html

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

It's funny because truth is the end isn't yet and

The whole thing is a huge debacle. All having to do with the prophet Abraham having sons, Isaac and Ishmael, from two different women, and its been pretty much downhill from there. Both sons taking claim to gods promise of being a chosen people. Muslims hijack everything, they claim both lines by saying all the Jewish prophets belonging to them and they hijacked Jesus, while claiming the religions based on these characters are wrong. A classic case of wanting to have cake and eat it too.

Peace be on you.
The nascent Christianity [which believed in One God and Jesus as Prophet in Moses' despensation] was a version of Islam. It told followers more teaching to come. That is why Hazrat Jesus (on whom be peace ) said:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment ... I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

"Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you". (John 16:7-15)

More https://www.alislam.org/library/books/true-christianity-leads-to-islam.html

Well I do agree those scriptures.
Okay yes;
Also I don't make a debacle of Ishmael and Isaac; it's strange which I could get into. It has allegories in the newer testament which is fluent in Paul's words yet this might be something terrible and not peaceful. I'm telling you to this day in-part paul skipped. I don't chase after genealogies of where you would say islam is Ishmael and this is Abraham side; or an allegory; it's not something I would do. I'm kind of seeing a pharisee and publican mixing. I know what that is. I do remember that they tried to identify; and identify it hard in ww2.
How many wolves. I know 2?
Okay I'll say peace but I would be careful.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

So who did you guys come to believe in your religion or your prophets?

 

[DawudTalut]

So who did you guys come to believe in your religion or your prophets?

Peace be on you....If I understood your question, humbly saying, Ahmadiyya Muslims believe all Prophets from Adam onward, Noah, ....Abraham, Ismael, Ishaq,...Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and in this era, a promised reformer as subserviant Prophet and servant of Muhammad [ with titles promised messiah , the covenanted mahdi]......(peace be on them)........Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being the last-prophet-with-last-book-Quran.....[the Khilafat continues the reform work of reformer].

 

[arthra]

If you consider the definition of "Muslim" it means translated from Arabic:

Arabic muslim, literally, one who submits (to God)

All the Prophets and Messengers of God submit to God's Will.

The meaning of "Islam" is also to submit to God's Will

But a "Muslim" is also a believer in Islam..identifies him/herself as a Muslim and follows the religion of Islam.

The Qur'an also recognizes Judaism and Christianity as religions.

 

[Tabu]

Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, has described the dynamic process of following Islam:

I am defining Islam as no one has defined it before me: Islam is submission, submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is acknowledgement, acknowledgement is performance of obligations, and the performance
of obligations is good deeds.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Peace be on you....If I understood your question, humbly saying, Ahmadiyya Muslims believe all Prophets from Adam onward, Noah, ....Abraham, Ismael, Ishaq,...Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and in this era, a promised reformer as subserviant Prophet and servant of Muhammad [ with titles promised messiah , the covenanted mahdi]......(peace be on them)........Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being the last-prophet-with-last-book-Quran.....[the Khilafat continues the reform work of reformer].

I mean you
Not by what you were taught.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

I mean you
Not by what you were taught.

I mean you
Not by what you were taught or tenants.

 

[Tumah]

The whole thing is a huge debacle. All having to do with the prophet Abraham having sons, Isaac and Ishmael, from two different women, and its been pretty much downhill from there. Both sons taking claim to gods promise of being a chosen people. Muslims hijack everything, they claim both lines by saying all the Jewish prophets belonging to them and they hijacked Jesus, while claiming the religions based on these characters are wrong. A classic case of wanting to have cake and eat it too.

That's an interesting point and I kind of wonder how it works.
All-h chooses Ishmael then kind of forgets about that and lets his kids wander off to serve moon gods and what have you. In the meantime - while His chosen's progeny are engaged in polytheism - All-h sends multiple prophets to Isaac's line constantly berating them to practice monotheism. He gives them books and revelations and what have you. All the while completely ignoring Ishmael's kids and their kufr ways. Then He finally switches back to Ishmael after a brief intermission of a few thousand years.

 

[paarsurrey]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...
So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?
A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.
As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.
So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?
So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....
Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

One's assumption is incorrect.

It is the Word of Revelation from G-d that one has to follow/obey or submit to, peacefully, as told by the prophets/messengers of G-d, if written as per the instructions of the messenger/prophet from G-d, it is called a book. Originally no books comes from the skies literally and physically, it may be called a book in the proverbial sense as the Revelation comes from G-d. Right? Please
Since Islam means submission to G-d, peacefully, so in both these senses in generic terms all prophets are called Muslims, not in the proper name Muslim, which obviously started with Muhammad. Right? Please
If the prophet/messenger does no know Arabic and speaks some other language, the revelation from G-d will be in that language but the meaning/sense will be the same as the source is the same ONE-God so the message will be the same generally. God knows all languages the humans speak, so difference in language is not a problem for Him. Right? Please

Regards

 

[idav]

That's an interesting point and I kind of wonder how it works.
All-h chooses Ishmael then kind of forgets about that and lets his kids wander off to serve moon gods and what have you. In the meantime - while His chosen's progeny are engaged in polytheism - All-h sends multiple prophets to Isaac's line constantly berating them to practice monotheism. He gives them books and revelations and what have you. All the while completely ignoring Ishmael's kids and their kufr ways. Then He finally switches back to Ishmael after a brief intermission of a few thousand years.

Islam makes the lineage thing important and unimportant at the same time. Depending on whether it is to bolster their own religion or downgrade their father religions. Either Muslims think Jacobs line is important or they don't, they try and have it both ways, being the true lineage all while god chose a different line.