If All the Prophets Were Muslims, Then What Is Islam?

[Servant_of_the_One1]

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So the Jews are evil. You heard it here first, folks!

From islamic religious point of view if someone rejects a prophet based on racism and arrogance than that is called evil.

Let say an arab rejects Moses and Jesus because they were Israelites, then he is evil.

In islam we dont reject prophets based on their ancestry. We dont say: some prophets we follow, others we dont.


The whole reason satan became evil is thanks to arrogance and racism.


Unfortunately(it is unfortunate for the rejectors of truth) we have a story where a famous jewish(may Allah be pleased with him) rabbi became muslim during life of prophet PBUH. He was famous amongst his people, beloved until he started following the "Arab Prophet" then he became disowned and rejected.


Also it is well documented that Jewish tribes in Madinah threatened Arab tribes that soon a prophet will arrive, they( jews) will follow him and then eventually get the upperhand. Until it turned out the prophet was arab, ofcourse plans were changed last minute.... Ofcourse such prophet wont be followed because he was arab....



Iam not saying there is racism amongst our jewish friends. But then again Ethiopians and Sudanese in Israel will say something different. They are not really treated humane as to speak.

Amigo scotsman, maybe u can enlighten me why Arabs, Ethiopians and Sudanese complain of racism in Israel?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

From islamic religious point of view if someone rejects a prophet based on racism and arrogance than that is called evil.

Except that's not why they reject him. Jewish claims aren't based on a sense of racial superiority, they're based on the covenant God made with them that is eternally binding assuming the Jews keep faith (which they have). They're going on the assumption that, having remained faithful for their part, God has done the same (you know, since he's morally perfect & all, thus cannot lie or deceive). Your faith's claim relies on assuming your god lied to the Jews and broke his covenant. Another reason is that Muhammad, like Jesus, did not reaffirm Jewish religious law - he forsook it and claimed the Jewish scriptures are corrupt.

That is enough for the Jews to dismiss Muhammad's claims to be a prophet.

Iam not saying there is racism amongst our jewish friends. But then again Ethiopians and Sudanese in Israel will say something different. They are not really treated humane as to speak.

Amigo scotsman, maybe u can enlighten me why Arabs, Ethiopians and Sudanese complain of racism in Israel?

Because the secular Israeli government engages in racist policies. It's worth mentioning that Ethiopian and other non-white Jews are affected by this just as much as Ethiopian non-Jews.

 

[Tumah]

Actually Allah swt chosed Prophet Muhammad PBUH not from the progeny of Isaac but from the progeny of Ishmael so as to separate the evil from the good.
So the forces of evil will reject him based on arrogance and racism. They will say : "how can we follow an arab prophet, when we are the chosen people? When we are a proud master nation? Never!".
So they follow their own desires, but they shall see where their desires will take them.

Just like Satan rejected to obey command of Allah swt to bown down for Adam due to arrogance and racism(" iam created from fire and he is created from earth").

Of course you know that the actual reasons we reject Muhammad is because
(1) prophecy ended about 1,000 years before he was born
(2) from the time the Jews went to Mt. Sinai, there would no longer be non-Jewish prophets
(3) belief in the nature of the Torah as we have it as being from G-d, is one of the thirteen pillars of faith
(4) prophecy is a result of hard spiritual work, there were schools in ancient Israel that taught one how to become a prophet, it didn't come to random ignorants
(5) Judaism already has many more Laws than does Islam, becoming Muslim would be because of "desires", remaining Jewish is a testament to overcoming them.

and lastly:
(6) none of this has anything to do with the point I had made, which was the Muslim claim that All-h chose Ishmael himself over Isaac, but then neglected him for about 2,000 years while dealing with Isaac's children.

 

[Tumah]

From islamic religious point of view if someone rejects a prophet based on racism and arrogance than that is called evil.

Let say an arab rejects Moses and Jesus because they were Israelites, then he is evil.

Of course you know that the first Jews to reject Muhammad were technically Arab Jews. And technically all Jews descend from Arabs. And half of all Jews today are Arab Jews. And non-Jewish Arabs who convert to Judaism and then reject Muhammad. So the claim of "racism" isn't really appropriate is it?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Except that's not why they reject him. Jewish claims aren't based on a sense of racial superiority, they're based on the covenant God made with them that is eternally binding assuming the Jews keep faith (which they have). They're going on the assumption that, having remained faithful for their part, God has done the same (you know, since he's morally perfect & all, thus cannot lie or deceive). Your faith's claim relies on assuming your god lied to the Jews and broke his covenant. Another reason is that Muhammad, like Jesus, did not reaffirm Jewish religious law - he forsook it and claimed the Jewish scriptures are corrupt.

That is enough for the Jews to dismiss Muhammad's claims to be a prophet.




Because the secular Israeli government engages in racist policies. It's worth mentioning that Ethiopian and other non-white Jews are affected by this just as much as Ethiopian non-Jews.

No, our faith teaches and it is proven historically that Jews broke the covenant with Allah. The only Jews that keeps the covenant are those who follow the last prophet pbuh.
We already believe they broke the covenant by killing the prophets.

Or did u think Johannes and Zacharias (peace be up them )died natural death on their beds?


Ofcourse our jewish counterparts disagree... They have fully freedom to do that.

 

[LuisDantas]

I am wary of the understanding that there is such a thing as "rejection of an Abrahamic prophet due to evil". That is too self-serving a criterium. What would make those who refuse to lend credence to those prophets any more "evil" than those who listened to them?

 

[Pastek]

All-h chooses Ishmael then kind of forgets about that and lets his kids wander off to serve moon gods and what have you. In the meantime - while His chosen's progeny are engaged in polytheism - All-h sends multiple prophets to Isaac's line constantly berating them to practice monotheism. He gives them books and revelations and what have you. All the while completely ignoring Ishmael's kids and their kufr ways. Then He finally switches back to Ishmael after a brief intermission of a few thousand years.

In Islam we don't believe that God forget but in general people believe in their prophet and after a while if there's not other prophets they tend to believe in gods.

There was an exception for the jews because Allah decided so.
Muslims accept the fact that Allah prefered some people and sent them more prophets that he ever sent to other people.

44.32 And We certainly chose them by knowledge over [all] the worlds.

But there's no a duality between Ishmael and Isaac nor Sarah and Hagar in Islam.

For us it doesn't mean that Allah prefered Isaac or Ishmael before or now, because this is not a question of "race".
The fact that the last prophet is Muhammad doesn't mean muslims believe Allah choose the side of Ishmael.

 

[Tumah]

In Islam we don't believe that God forget but in general people believe in their prophet and after a while if there's not other prophets they tend to believe in gods.

There was an exception for the jews because Allah decided so.
Muslims accept the fact that Allah prefered some people and sent them more prophets that he ever sent to other people.

44.32 And We certainly chose them by knowledge over [all] the worlds.

But there's no a duality between Ishmael and Isaac nor Sarah and Hagar in Islam.

For us it doesn't mean that Allah prefered Isaac or Ishmael before or now, because this is not a question of "race".
The fact that the last prophet is Muhammad doesn't mean muslims believe Allah choose the side of Ishmael.

Obviously it can't be a matter of race, since both Isaac and Ishmael as brothers would belong to the same race.

But it is interesting to hear Muslims retell the sacrifice of Isaac story as being about Ishmael and tracing Muhammad's lineage to Ishmael as though it is significant that they are connected to him and that he is an important figure.

 

[paarsurrey]

Of course you know that the actual reasons we reject Muhammad is because
(1) prophecy ended about 1,000 years before he was born
(2) from the time the Jews went to Mt. Sinai, there would no longer be non-Jewish prophets
(3) belief in the nature of the Torah as we have it as being from G-d, is one of the thirteen pillars of faith
(4) prophecy is a result of hard spiritual work, there were schools in ancient Israel that taught one how to become a prophet, it didn't come to random ignorants
(5) Judaism already has many more Laws than does Islam, becoming Muslim would be because of "desires", remaining Jewish is a testament to overcoming them.

and lastly:
(6) none of this has anything to do with the point I had made, which was the Muslim claim that All-h chose Ishmael himself over Isaac, but then neglected him for about 2,000 years while dealing with Isaac's children.

Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy? Was it Jesus (the Christian God), or Krishna (God of the Post-Veda People), or Brahma/Vishnu ( more Gods of the Post-Veda People) or Brahman (God of the Veda People), or Ahura-Mazdah (God of the Zoroastrianism People) or No-God (of the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism) . Please
No offense intended to any person or religion or no-religion. Please.
Please

Regards

 

[Tumah]

Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy? Was it Jesus (the Christian God), or Krishna (God of the Post-Veda People), or Brahma/Vishnu ( more Gods of the Post-Veda People) or Brahman (God of the Veda People), or Ahura-Mazdah (God of the Zoroastrianism People) or No-God (of the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism) . Please
No offense intended to any person or religion or no-religion. Please.
Please

Regards

No one forced Him. He chose to do it on His own.

 

[wizanda]

Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy?

Prophecy didn't end; it just isn't being specifically sent to one group of people anymore; there are prophets all over the world.

 

[Limo]

Based on the Quran it is saying that all the prophets were Muslims; which means a Muslim has nothing to do with following the book, as most Muslims now commonly ascribe...

So what is the definition of someone who follows Islam, if it came before the Quran existed?

A Muslim and Islam mean, 'one who submits to peace (of God)'.

As salam is the root meaning peace, not only submission.

So since the prophets all submitted to God's will, and believed in the Oneness of God....Does this make them all Muslims?

So the 5 pillars of Islam are not essential for being a Muslim, none of the religious law in the Quran is essential to being a Muslim.....

Basically have people created a religion around the idea of accepting the Oneness of God?

Allah Almighty who is the Creator is one.
He has sent many prophets.
It doesn't make any sense to send different religions with different messengers ends up with more conflicts between different religious people.

What is common themes between these messages ?
Prophet Muhammad said "The best say by me and all prophets before me is La Illah Ila Allah There is no God but Allah".
This is the common message of all messages and the heart of Islam. Without it no Islam.
Allah told in Quran that every prophet has a different Shariah (Law).

So one religion the No God but Allah, different Shariahs by different messengers.
Allah called this religion "Islam" in Quran.

 

[paarsurrey]

Of course you know that the actual reasons we reject Muhammad is because
(1) prophecy ended about 1,000 years before he was born
(2) from the time the Jews went to Mt. Sinai, there would no longer be non-Jewish prophets
(3) belief in the nature of the Torah as we have it as being from G-d, is one of the thirteen pillars of faith
(4) prophecy is a result of hard spiritual work, there were schools in ancient Israel that taught one how to become a prophet, it didn't come to random ignorants
(5) Judaism already has many more Laws than does Islam, becoming Muslim would be because of "desires", remaining Jewish is a testament to overcoming them.

and lastly:
(6) none of this has anything to do with the point I had made, which was the Muslim claim that All-h chose Ishmael himself over Isaac, but then neglected him for about 2,000 years while dealing with Isaac's children.

Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy? Was it Jesus (the Christian God), or Krishna (God of the Post-Veda People), or Brahma/Vishnu ( more Gods of the Post-Veda People) or Brahman (God of the Veda People), or Ahura-Mazdah (God of the Zoroastrianism People) or No-God (of the Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism) . Please
No offence intended to any person or religion or no-religion. Please.
Please

No one forced Him. He chose to do it on His own.

No one forced Him. He chose to do it on His own.

Did YHVH talked with one like He talked to Moses and inform one? Please
Regards

 

[Tumah]

Did YHVH talked with one like He talked to Moses and inform one? Please
Regards

No, One talked to Moses and he informed other ones who informed one. Right?

Comment open to all goyim people and non-goyim people. Please.

Regards.

 

[paarsurrey]

Allah Almighty who is the Creator is one.
He has sent many prophets.
It doesn't make any sense to send different religions with different messengers ends up with more conflicts between different religious people.
What is common themes between these messages ?
Prophet Muhammad said "The best say by me and all prophets before me is La Illah Ila Allah There is no God but Allah".
This is the common message of all messages and the heart of Islam. Without it no Islam.
Allah told in Quran that every prophet has a different Shariah (Law).
So one religion the No God but Allah, different Shariahs by different messengers.
Allah called this religion "Islam" in Quran.

Well! That is OK.
Why should prophets/messengers of the wold be different when the people of the whole world are the same kind? Please
Regards

 

[Limo]

Well! That is OK.
Why should prophets/messengers of the wold be different when the people of the whole world are the same kind? Please
Regards

People of the whole world were scattered in the past, less communications, less keeping knowledge and books.
Now It's different. As you can relax at home but go through books, thoughts, videos, all kind of info.

Allah sends a prophet from time to time to remind people with Allah and his commandments. Some people believe the prophet and follows the commandments. Time after time, generation after another people deviates/change/forget/distort/disobey prophet commandments and worship anything else or don't follow the commandments. Then Allah sends a new prophet to remind people and take them back to the write belief (No God but Allah).

Most of these prophets were sent to their people/tribe/city only.
Lastly, Allah has sent the last prophet Muhammad to the whole world to all eras till last day. Allah revealed to Prophet Muhammad last book with a complete/comprehensive commandments which are valid till end day for the whole world.

 

[Britedream]

Of course you know that the first Jews to reject Muhammad were technically Arab Jews. And technically all Jews descend from Arabs. And half of all Jews today are Arab Jews. And non-Jewish Arabs who convert to Judaism and then reject Muhammad. So the claim of "racism" isn't really appropriate is it?

Please allow me to correct your understanding, Arab are of three types, decimated Arabs, real Arabs, Arabized Arabs; descendent from Ishmael as he married from the real Arab tribe called Jurhum

 

[paarsurrey]

Please allow me to correct your understanding, Arab are of three types, decimated Arabs, real Arabs, Arabized Arabs; descendent from Ishmael as he married from the real Arab tribe called Jurhum

I don't get you. What is "decimated Arabs"? Please elaborate.
Regards

 

[Britedream]

I don't get you. What is "decimated Arabs"? Please elaborate.
Regards

No longer exist- wiped out.

 

[paarsurrey]

Of course you know that the first Jews to reject Muhammad were technically Arab Jews. And technically all Jews descend from Arabs. And half of all Jews today are Arab Jews. And non-Jewish Arabs who convert to Judaism and then reject Muhammad. So the claim of "racism" isn't really appropriate is it?

Technically those who join Judaism are not covered in the Covenant. Right? Please

Regards