If America went without religion...

[Kemosloby]

If we look at populations where the majority are irreligious, we don't see that they "lose their reason to be good". It's a deeper thing than religion. Estonia is over 70% irreligious! My own country is in theory about 50%, I suspect it is higher in practice.

Yet St. Olafs church is one of their biggest landmarks. The rest looks like mansions. What did they do to all the poor people?

 

[Kirran]

Yet St. Olafs church is one of their biggest landmarks. The rest looks like mansions. What did they do to all the poor people?

What are you driving at?

 

[Kemosloby]

What are you driving at?

What did all those non religious rich people do with all the poor people? I know what they bible says they do with them.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

About 20% of the USA's population have no religious affiliation whereas 80% do affiliate with a religion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States

For the sake of argument What do you think America would be like if this figure was reversed and 80% of Americans did not have a religion?

What would change (if anything)?

Likely the religious would be far more vocal, since they would be a minority. Otherwise, not much as far as overall conditions of living.

 

[Kirran]

What did all those non religious rich people do with all the poor people? I know what they bible says they do with them.

I imagine there are some there. But the wealth disparity is nowhere near as bad as that of the USA.

 

[LuisDantas]

What do you think America would be like if this figure was reversed and 80% of Americans did not have a religion?

What would change (if anything)?

Assuming the lesser necessary changes for that scenario to materialize:

- There would be a lot less noise from Creationists and opponents of a lay state.

- People would generally feel less guilty and more supportive.

- Then there would be some curiosity about religion in general (as opposed to "inherited beliefs") and the number would rise again, with a lot more variety and tolerance for diversity of belief than we currently have.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Do we have any evidence the irreligious are .7more wicked than the religious?

Or whether Kemosloby's conception of wickedness is necessarily undesirable.

 

[McBell]

About 20% of the USA's population have no religious affiliation whereas 80% do affiliate with a religion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States

For the sake of argument What do you think America would be like if this figure was reversed and 80% of Americans did not have a religion?

What would change (if anything)?

um...
Churches would be really hard up for money?
Poor Catholics would have to sell off those huge fluffy bunny buildings?

 

[McBell]

Do we have any evidence the irreligious are more wicked than the religious?

Nope.
Just the wishful thinking of those who have to fear god in order to be good people.

 

[McBell]

Well if it flipped from 80% to 20% the religious would become the non-religious and lose their reason to be good.

Exactly.
Which means the religious would be out there raping and robbing and murdering and who knows what all else.

Funny how theists seem to think that the atheists would be the ones doing all that, when it is the theists who need the supernatural babysitter.

 

[Sonofason]

I honestly couldn't foresee any negative consequences. People gon' do what they gon' do. If anything I would imagine, obnoxious self-righteousness would decline significantly.

This feels so retro; ten years ago, I hated organized religion with a particular emphasis on the destructive legacy of Christianity. Now I'm more or less indifferent to it - a couple of ******** preaching garbage isn't really that offensive to me anymore.

Personally I think the world as a whole would be significantly improved in all aspects if religion were reverted to a historical passing.

Wow, what an obnoxious, and self-righteous thing to say.

 

[Sonofason]

Just wait until aliens make contact. The world's religions will come crumbling down...except deism.

What aliens?

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Wow, what an obnoxious, and self-righteous thing to say.

Lol why? Do you have any rationale behind your post?

 

[Sonofason]

Lol why? Do you have any rationale behind your post?

I might, but did you have any rationale behind your comment when you suggested that obnoxious self-righteousness would decline if there were fewer Christians?

If so, I'd like to hear your rationale, because I didn't see it in your comment.

 

[Sonofason]

Exactly.
Which means the religious would be out there raping and robbing and murdering and who knows what all else.

Funny how theists seem to think that the atheists would be the ones doing all that, when it is the theists who need the supernatural babysitter.

Yeah, or killing cops.

 

[Papoon]

Since the United Nations already sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world, would we need aliens to make contact, or with backing the U.N. can be strengthened to surprisingly turn on the world's troublesome religious groups.

Chemtrails of vaporized LSD could be the fast track to one world secular non government. Although it would probably be more like the world imagined by Brian Aldiss in his book 'Barefoot In the Head'.(1969), which describes what happens when radical Muslims preempt the west by bombing all major cities with vaporized LSD. An amazing book in a style akin to Joyce's 'Finnegan's Wake'.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

I might, but did you have any rationale behind your comment when you suggested that obnoxious self-righteousness would decline if there were fewer Christians?

If so, I'd like to hear your rationale, because I didn't see it in your comment.

Of course: Any imposition of morality on the basis of a claim to know and endorse an ultimate, supreme, overriding principle of the universe is inherently obnoxious and self-righteous. That's precisely what Christianity is and has always done.

Consider it an implied rationale since most people already know the components of semitic religions. Is this really news to you?

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Chemtrails of vaporized LSD could be the fast track to one world secular non government. Although it would probably be more like the world imagined by Brian Aldiss in his book 'Barefoot In the Head'.(1969), which describes what happens when radical Muslims preempt the west by bombing all major cities with vaporized LSD. An amazing book in a style akin to Joyce's 'Finnegan's Wake'.

I wish I could give you every possible frubal for this post!

 

[Sonofason]

Of course: Any imposition of morality on the basis of a claim to know and endorse an ultimate, supreme, overriding principle of the universe is inherently obnoxious and self-righteous. That's precisely what Christianity is and has always done.

Consider it an implied rationale since most people already know the components of semitic religions. Is this really news to you?

That just sounds like a rewording of your extremely biased opinion...do you have any actual rationale to support this extremely biased opinion?
Rationale - an explanation of controlling principles of opinion, belief, practice, or phenomena
A regurgitation of a previous opinion is not a rationale.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

That just sounds like a rewording of your extremely biased opinion...do you have any actual rationale to support this extremely biased opinion?
Rationale - an explanation of controlling principles of opinion, belief, practice, or phenomena
A regurgitation of a previous opinion is not a rationale.

Lol, you've got it backwards dude.

I couldn't have presented a clearer rationale.

Now it's your turn to rebut. I look forward to it.