If asked...

[Parsimony]

@OP

What's the 'answer' lol to your question...Is cats a trick question or something?

Not a trick question. I'm trying to see if their reasoning is consistent.

Felidae

Patterns of Y and X Chromosome DNA Sequence Divergence During the Felidae Radiation

I'm not sure, but are you a creationist?

the bible says that 'wild' animals and 'domestic' animals were created. So there would have been wild cats and domestic cats who where unrelated.

I dont know if anyone has tried to breed a wild and domestic cat before, but if they could reproduce, they are of the same 'kind' or are linked by ancestry.

Servals and house cats can hybridize. The result is the savannah.

 

[Ouroboros]

...what evidence exists that tigers and house cats are descended from a common, cat-kind ancestor, what would creationists provide?

Hmmm... interesting question.

Lions, tigers, panthers, cougars, house cats, all the species of felidae. They all came from one archetype feline on the arc. That sounds like evolution to me.

There are 41 cat species under felidae, in our world today as far as we know. One interesting this is that they have either 18 or 19 haploid number, which genetically means they're not the same "kind". Since "information can't grow in DNA and irreducible complexity can't happen" the 19 haploid must've been a separate "kind" on the arc. Now, the truth based on genetics is that the 18 comes from a fusing of two chromosomes from the 19. All the 18 are new world cats, while the 19 are old world cats. The same thing that happened from chimps to humans (24 to 23).

 

[Ouroboros]

Two real creationist answers that I have seen often on this board:
1. They look like the same kind so they are the same kind.
2. We call them cats, so they must be the same kind.

They look like cat, they smell like cat, they roar like cats... kind'a... and they lick milk like cat (some of them)... therefore they're a cat-kind.

The funny thing is that there are dog breeds that look like and behave like cats. The physiological differences are erased between the species. There are only a very few differences that puts them apart, but mostly, they're categorized in the taxa because of the genetic belonging, not their physiological. The "kind" category just doesn't work in biology.

The cat is only one'a kind, it's just a feelin'...

 

[ametist]

Cats are given to egytians pharaohs by the gods

 

[Bunyip]

This is as ridiculous as my answer of proto-mammals. If you don't think of them as dinosaurs, whatever. lol

LOL The irony of a person who thinks that Noah is a true story dismissing the simple fact that mammals did not evolve from dinosaurs as rediculous is pretty hilarious.

How is it ridiculous that mammals did not evolve from, dinosaurs? Or are you just going to dismiss any facts that you don't like?

 

[Desert Snake]

LOL The irony of a person who thinks that Noah is a true story dismissing the simple fact that mammals did not evolve from dinosaurs as rediculous is pretty hilarious.

How is it ridiculous that mammals did not evolve from, dinosaurs? Or are you just going to dismiss any facts that you don't like?

Huh? you don't know what I believe...

 

[Desert Snake]

Not a trick question. I'm trying to see if their reasoning is consistent.

I'm not sure if it's a good question though...we could find a 'common' ancestor of cats I suppose...I think you mean the variances but only one response to your OP so far,,

 

[Bunyip]

Huh? you don't know what I believe...

I can make a pretty solid guess. Pretty much 100% of people who deny evolution have the following traits in common;

1. They do not know what evolution means.
2. They are Young Earth Creationists.


If you were not a YEC, you would not have been taught all of those lies about science.

 

[Desert Snake]

I can make a pretty solid guess. Pretty much 100% of people who deny evolution have the following traits in common;

1. They do not know what evolution means.
2. They are Young Earth Creationists.


If you were not a YEC, you would not have been taught all of those lies about science.

What on earth are you talking about...

 

[Desert Snake]

'taught' by whom.......
stay out of the assuming business, buddy.

 

[Bunyip]

What on earth are you talking about...

What I am talking about is that you raise the exact same fallacies taught to YEC kids, you have been deceived into a perspective on science and biology that is identical to that taught by propogandists like Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind - all of whom are YEC.

Are you a Young Earth Creationist?

 

[Desert Snake]

What I am talking about is that you raise the exact same fallacies taught to YEC kids, you have been deceived into a perspective on science and biology that is identical to that taught by propogandists like Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Kent Hovind - all of whom are YEC.

Are you a Young Earth Creationist?

What fallacies have I raised??


examples..

 

[Bunyip]

What fallacies have I raised??


examples..

Are you a YEC?

 

[Desert Snake]

Are you a YEC?

Why are you asking? Pretty hostile there, why do you think I would answer you .....

 

[Desert Snake]

funny how this is supposed to be some absolute, either or question...lol

 

[Bunyip]

Why are you asking? Pretty hostile there, why do you think I would answer you .....

My apologies, I do not mean to be in any way hostile.

You said that I do not know what you believe, and so I am trying to find out if my assumption that you are a YEC is accurate.

You said that the fact mammals did not evolve from dinosaurs is ridiculous, which is why I ask.

It is a simple question to clarify your position- you are a YEC aren't you?

Andyes it is sadly pretty much an 'either or question' - only YEC deny evolution and speciation.

 

[Desert Snake]

Andyes it is sadly pretty much an 'either or question' - only YEC deny evolution and speciation.

Theres a myriad of other possibilities, actually.

Also, about the dinosaur issue, if you aren't considering something half dino-half mammal, great, that's what...terminology, is it really that important?

Like the Cynogthathus , is that not a dinodaur technically whatever, all this is off-topic, that's what you're not getting/

 

[Iti oj]

Theres a myriad of other possibilities, actually.

Also, about the dinosaur issue, if you aren't considering something half dino-half mammal, great, that's what...terminology, is it really that important?

Like the Cynogthathus , is that not a dinodaur technically whatever, all this is off-topic, that's what you're not getting/

Dude your speaking nosense. Dinosaures and mammals share a common ancestor. Mammals did not evolve from dinosaurs. There are protomamals but I think they came from lizards.

 

[Desert Snake]

Dude your speaking nosense. Dindaures and mammals share a common ancestor. Mammals did not evolve from dinosaurs. There are protomamals but I think they came from lizards.

If you know so much, why not answer the OP question?

 

[Iti oj]

If you know so much, why not answer the OP question?

Are you trolling me?