If Christ wasn't the messiah, what was he?

[Kenny]

Yes please. I see the word first used in Gen 24:43 but Sarah died in 23:2.

LOL... my error... I meant to say Rebekah. Can I relegate that error to my age?

 

[rubi]

Didn’t the apostles and first Jewish people who became followers of Jesus Christ understand Hebrew?

I think that as an occupied nation while living under a colonoial regeme like the Roman empire, the language spoken by the people was Hebrew but they knew the foriegn toungue. I also think there was massive manipulation by the Romans for it they had a huge interes in upgrading christ to a God level. in order to do that they had to make him messiah.

 

[Rival]

I think that as an occupied nation while living under a colonoial regeme like the Roman empire, the language spoken by the people was Hebrew but they knew the foriegn toungue. I also think there was massive manipulation by the Romans for it they had a huge interes in upgrading christ to a God level. in order to do that they had to make him messiah.

I thought it was mostly Aramaic?

 

[rubi]

The problem with Satan, is that when you invoke him, all the bets are off. And if you do not invoke him, then where does evil come from?

For sure that makes any belief system with Satan in it, possibly compromised.

Ciao

- viole

Judaism thinks about Satan like a dog on a leash

 

[rubi]

I thought it was mostly Aramaic?

the native language was Hebrew. I don't know whether they knew to read, though it is highly important to learn Tora. It may cost too much for a poor family

 

[metis]

the native language was Hebrew. I don't know whether they knew to read, though it is highly important to learn Tora. It may cost too much for a poor family

There's long been a debate about what fraction of early Jews could read & write, and I've seen as high as 90% and as low as 10%. However, we can be rest assured that families back then did not have their own Torah.

 

[rubi]

Prov. 30:19 can also be understood as the same while a man tries to take it away from here... the way of a snake. So your point is still mute.

I don't understand. you're saying it talks about a man taking a young woman from point A to point B? the phrase and the next phrase clearly says that in the same way an eagle flies in the sky, in the same way a snake on a rock (crawling or laying), in the same way a ship on the high seas, in the same way a man on a woman,
Proverbs 30:20 “This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats and wipes her mouth
and says, ‘I’ve done nothing wrong.’ (God is using a clean language calling her vegina as her mouth).

Did God create Adam or was he a evolution of a single cell?

biological evolution is a fact in nature. there is no way to deny it. this how viruses evolve. the mistake sience makes, is that it ignores God's existence and his effect on nature, which is not a bad thing. my point of view is that is, if a scientist need to luanch a rocket to space for example, he shouldn't consider religious claims like the earth is actually flat. to your question, adam was created as full grown young man. we don't really know how he actually looked like.

not specifically talking about you, I think Christians would have a serious difficalty in understanding Judaism point of view about the image of God.

 

[rubi]

There's long been a debate about what fraction of early Jews could read & write, and I've seen as high as 90% and as low as 10%. However, we can be rest assured that families back then did not have their own Torah.

the estimation are about how much of the people remembered their teaching, if they had any. so while as children might study the holy language, they might forget if they didn't dealt with it in their day to day life. on the other hand it was widely spoken, so even if you studied as a kid and since then you didn't read a word, you still spoke it, so it might be different then today with you and latin, for example. I think there was a difffernce in periods of time in history

 

[rubi]

great song and i think you'll really like it

TRANSLATION:
I have my day and I have my night.
I have my morning and I have my yesterday.
I have my evening.

When the day goes down by the sea,
and the night.. the night,
has already spread darkness as cloak over me.

until dawn, until dawn,
until dawn, sun will shine upon me
sun will shine upon me

 

[Kenny]

I don't understand. you're saying it talks about a man taking a young woman from point A to point B? the phrase and the next phrase clearly says that in the same way an eagle flies in the sky, in the same way a snake on a rock (crawling or laying), in the same way a ship on the high seas, in the same way a man on a woman,
Proverbs 30:20 “This is the way of an adulterous woman:
She eats and wipes her mouth
and says, ‘I’ve done nothing wrong.’ (God is using a clean language calling her vegina as her mouth).

Proverbs 30:19 talks about the way of the man with a maid - a young woman of marriage age
Proverbs 30:20 talks about the way of a woman 'ishshah - different thought, different words and a different gender.

biological evolution is a fact in nature. there is no way to deny it. this how viruses evolve. the mistake sience makes, is that it ignores God's existence and his effect on nature, which is not a bad thing. my point of view is that is, if a scientist need to luanch a rocket to space for example, he shouldn't consider religious claims like the earth is actually flat. to your question, adam was created as full grown young man. we don't really know how he actually looked like.

not specifically talking about you, I think Christians would have a serious difficalty in understanding Judaism point of view about the image of God.

I'm not talking about the rest of creation but the creation of man.

Apparently some Jews don't agree with you:

Adam and Eve | My Jewish Learning

The first human beings are banished by God. By David Mandel

www.myjewishlearning.com

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/246606/jewish/The-Story-of-Adam-and-Eve-in-the-Bible.htm

and other understandings:

The Making of Adam - TheTorah.com

Most readers of the biblical account of the creation of people assume that Adam - the first human being created was male, but the Bible’s account of human is, in fact, frustratingly ambiguous. This ambiguity led to some fascinating midrashic interpretations of Genesis 1:26-27, which recounts...

www.thetorah.com

 

[seekandfind]

The one to use here, imo, is: Exodus 4:22

ואמרת אל־פרעה כה אמר יהוה בני בכרי ישראל׃

And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus said the Lord, Israel is my son, my firstborn;

No need for Hebrew, and basically it means that any Jews is the "Son of God". And then you can follow it up with verses showing that God has no form, and the whole idea of God producing a physical offspring is silly according to Judaism.

The nail in the coffin, if a preacher or missionary is obsessing over Isaiah, ( which they do because of the style of writing there )

Isaiah 2:4 + Matthew 10:34

That's an absolute contradiction. Jesus cannot be the messiah if he is bringing the sword. The messiah is supposed convince people to get rid of their swords and peace will flourish NOT division. The preacher will say, "no no, that's the 2nd coming." But you can just keep posting those verses. Till they put you on ignore, or whatever they do on YT.

We get preachers around here, for sure. So a lot of these topics have been presented and rebuked.

Christ means Messiah so your question doesn't make sense. The sword Christ was bringing wasn't the literal sword, he was here for peace. Its those that didnt believe him that didnt have it. He even said "However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?"- Mt 5:43-47

 

[rubi]

Proverbs 30:19 talks about the way of the man with a maid - a young woman of marriage age
Proverbs 30:20 talks about the way of a woman 'ishshah - different thought, different words and a different gender.

Proverbs 30:19 The way of an eagle in the air, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the midst of the sea, And the way of a man with a young woman.
Proverbs 30:20 This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, “I have done no wickedness.”

I'm not talking about the rest of creation but the creation of man.

apparently, you misunderstood me.

adam was created as full grown young man

i don't see where the sources you brought disagree. please quote the actual words

 

[Kenny]

Proverbs 30:19 The way of an eagle in the air, The way of a serpent on a rock, The way of a ship in the midst of the sea, And the way of a man with a young woman.
Proverbs 30:20 This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, “I have done no wickedness.”

Correct.. eagle (not air); serpent (not rock); ship (not sea); man (not virgin woman); adulterous woman.

They are different subjects. Your point still is mute.

apparently, you misunderstood me.

maybe so... will check.

 

[rubi]

Christ means Messiah so your question doesn't make sense. The sword Christ was bringing wasn't the literal sword, he was here for peace. Its those that didnt believe him that didnt have it. He even said "However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing?"- Mt 5:43-47

The source @dybmh brought says every Jew is God's son. there are other phrases that says that. The only people who said that God said he loves are the people of Israel.

 

[rubi]

Correct.. eagle (not air); serpent (not rock); ship (not sea); man (not virgin woman); adulterous woman.

They are different subjects. Your point still is mute.

I have given up

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The source @dybmh brought says every Jew is God's son. there are other phrases that says that. The only people who said that God said he loves are the people of Israel.

I'd like to thank you, as well as the other Jewish members in this thread, for sharing your knowledge and perspective on the Bible. It's very insightful.

 

[rubi]

I'd like to thank you, as well as the other Jewish members in this thread, for sharing your knowledge and perspective on the Bible. It's very insightful.

with a lot of love

 

[Kenny]

biological evolution is a fact in nature

In the question of "If God made Adam" - your point says they are an evolution the Jewish posts said otherwise.

 

[Kenny]

I have given up

OK Your point wasn't supportive in its usage, so I understand why giving up is the only solution Maid is always used in context of a young woman, virgin, ready for marriage.

 

[seekandfind]

The source @dybmh brought says every Jew is God's son. there are other phrases that says that. The only people who said that God said he loves are the people of Israel.

That doesnt seem to have anything to do with our conversation. Did i miss something?