Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
godnotgod
Thou art That
It can be, and it can lead to a threshold, but is not the way to see into the true nature of things. Reason is thinking; seeing is seeing.
Ben Dhyan
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Haha,,,,,do not be deceived....realization trumps belief...come out of the maya and into the light...it's awesome beyond belief...
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Both are perceptions. You should let go of this notion that you must look a certain way, or see a certain way, or experience a certain way. There are no certain ways to see or experience or percieve the universe. Don't think "this is reality" or "that is not reality". Make no such distinctions. Forget all such notions and just BE in the present moment. It's all there is...Being.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Sorry, but you are just plain wrong.
Conditioned consciousness is always seeing things 'a certain way'. Ultimate Reality is to see things in no particular way, and that is because it is unconditioned. Get it?
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
What things are you seeing in no particular way? Realization is not "seeing things" since there are no "things" to see. Seeing is perceiving
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godnotgod
Thou art That
'Seeing things as they are' is a form of speech which simply means to see Reality as it actually is. This is not within the sphere of Reason. Not seeing things in any particular way is to see them with an unconditioned, or uncolored consciousness. This is sometimes called 'Floodlight Attention', as compared to what most Westerners utilize, which is 'Spotlight Attention'.
I don't know. Where do you think it is?
Is this a quiz show? I do hope you have the right answers.
IMO, that is the right answer "I do not know".
But from reading and contemplation of Heart Sutra passage and from one's meditative experiences, it does not seem that consciousness-mind is located in a spot. In fact space-time itself seems contained in consciousness-mind.
It is my opinion, based on some experience and understanding of scripture. So, I see no reason to laugh, deride, or abuse those who suggest that consciousness is non local.
So, in emptiness, no form,
No feeling, thought, or choice,
Nor is there consciousness.
No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body,
mind;
No colour, sound, smell, taste,
touch,
Or what the mind takes hold of,
Nor even act of sensing.
No ignorance or end of it,
Nor all that comes of ignorance;
No withering, no death,
No end of them.
Nor is there pain, or cause of pain,
Or cease in pain, or noble path
To lead from pain;
Not even wisdom to attain!
Attainment too is emptiness.
So know that the Bodhisattva
Holding to nothing whatever,
But dwelling in Prajna wisdom,
Is freed of delusive hindrance,
Rid of the fear bred by it,
And reaches clearest Nirvana.
No feeling, thought, or choice,
Nor is there consciousness.
No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body,
mind;
No colour, sound, smell, taste,
touch,
Or what the mind takes hold of,
Nor even act of sensing.
No ignorance or end of it,
Nor all that comes of ignorance;
No withering, no death,
No end of them.
Nor is there pain, or cause of pain,
Or cease in pain, or noble path
To lead from pain;
Not even wisdom to attain!
Attainment too is emptiness.
So know that the Bodhisattva
Holding to nothing whatever,
But dwelling in Prajna wisdom,
Is freed of delusive hindrance,
Rid of the fear bred by it,
And reaches clearest Nirvana.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Oh. You mean I should not see things in any particular way, such as 'everything is interaction' for example.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
What I mean is you should not limit yourself to any one particular way because there is no one certain way that is any better. The universe is not limited, so why should I limit how I see it or realize it? Your way is not better than the materialist way, it is just different. "Everything is interaction/inter-connectivity" is an open-minded approach and can be seen in both a materialistic and in a non-materialistic way. I am not partial to the way of strict dualism, nor am I partial to the way of strict non-dualism.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
I prefer to have all the the lights on. I can reason things out and realize the true nature of the universe at the same time.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
What specifically in the Heart Sutra leads you to believe this? I'm not seeing anything there to support this idea.
And what in your meditation experience? The difficultly with meditation experiences is their inherent subjectivity, so using them to draw metaphysical conclusions looks highly speculative.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
You haven't paid attention to what I've said:
repeat: Ultimate Reality is NO PARTICULAR VIEW.
Ha. Ha. Tricky and not earnest? Why did you say that you do not
Forget it. You first answer "Where is the location of mind that knows Sunyata?" You will get answers to your questions... eventually, if you pursue the question earnestly.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Eh? I was just asking you to clarify the basis for your belief. Straightforward questions.
As for location of mind, we will have to see, though I haven't yet seen any evidence for the non-locality of consciousness, or for the idea that space-time is in consciousness or whatever. What I am NOT going to do is to make assumptions about it based on religious beliefs.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
In that case, Alice, you need to have a thorough spring clean, get rid of all those new-age views!
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
And in the same present moment can be ALL views. The limitless view...that is what it is.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
It's not that difficult if you set you preconceptions about reality aside. Try it sometime.
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