Mr Faux
Member
Then we ask why let it go that far. Well ,free will an fear kinda go against each other. If we know for sure. Will you worship god out of fear
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If God actually spoke to you, would you try to obey?
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PureX
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The story of Abraham is a story. It was told and retold, and then written and read by countless people within a specific culture because they found it enlightening and intriguing in some way.
So why are we still reading it, today?
I have to assume that the story still says something enlightening and intriguing to people, even in our modern culture. And what that is, varies from person to person. Your take from the story is as valid as anyone else's. And it's through reading these kinds of mythical stories that we gain the ability to stretch our imaginations, and our intellects, to contemplate ideals that we might not otherwise have formulated. And I think that was and is the real purpose of such stories. Though I do not doubt that there was probably an element of indoctrination and control involved in many of these kinds of stories, as well. Cultures have to hold themselves together, somehow, or they disintegrate. And their mythology is a big part of that cohesion.
Im atheist and voted "If I was convinced it was God, I would listen. But it would take a while to be convinced it's God"
That convincing would need to be independently peer reviewed then the god entity would have to answer some very searching questions.
That convincing would need to be independently peer reviewed then the god entity would have to answer some very searching questions.
Mr Faux
Member
Sorry friend
I agree its told becase that all we have to hold on to. The true word was lost to history trust me every one had a turn. God had a fail safe that fail safe is a part of you when u do wrong an do good you feel it am i wrong?? Defectors defect from horrible stuff. If thats all they know. Why defect when you know no diffrent. Whats the force that says wait this is not right? An take a risk that you an your family will pay for 100% an its worse if u escape. Not for you but the ones you left behind. But too many just dont care
Honestly, that is the funniest thing I think I've ever heard anyone say about having an experience of God! "Indepently peer reviewed". Do you say the same thing when you experience love with someone?
"Well, Brian, this could be love, but I'm going to have to submit a paper for independent peer review before I can confidently respond with an answer to your question about what I'm feeling. Subjective experience cannot be trusted, and must be met with scientific rigor before we can say for sure."
Mr Faux
Member
If
God will is in you. Do right by others. Stand up for yourself thats gods will. Lead by example
Jim
Nets of Wonder
Please consider searching in the gospels to see if you can find a Jesus or a spirit or a God in them, that you can trust to do whatever He wants to with your life. Not telling you what to do, but just doing it, from inside you, more and more, and better and better. Please, if you don't see any reason not to search in the gospels for a Jesus or a spirit or a God in them that you can trust that much, please just try it.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I try to listen to that still small voice inside me.
That voice tells me that some of the Bible is false.
Mr Faux
Member
Are u seeking god for someone or for your self. There are no word that will change everything. You are most likely on gods path. Be open minded. Me too was blessed. Dont know why but i want to make it worth it. Your answers are apart of you. Its a to part punch. Find you find what god means to you
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Yes, that's what it comes down to., I have to follow my conscience and moral compass.
This means I have to reject much of the Bible.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Jehovah’s witnesses will say, pray to God for understanding and read the Bible and you will be enlightened to understand his word. So many Protestants will say the same thing roughly. Catholics will say the same thing, (but at least Catholics have the obvious ability to identify the obvious truth that the Bible is not the final or only authority).
So, all of the thousands of denominations of Christianity read the same book and come up with opposite beliefs or morals, indicating that the book is not trustworthy, nor is God, because they all claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them.
So, what if God actually cared enough about you to get off his rich, selfish, narcissistic, lazy *** and actually talk to you? What if he wasn’t asking you to do anything like commit violence, condemn, judge, or kill Idolaters and what not?
What if he asked you “Worship me, visit this hospital, visit this nursing home, give this person food, give this person money, donate to this charity, forgive this enemy, be humble, be kind, don’t look at porn, don’t fornicate, don’t commit adultery, don’t be angry, don’t covet, don’t be jealous, don’t be lazy, and don’t over eat”.
Would you listen to and do your best to obey such a God? I know I would greet such a God with open arms and do everything possible to obey him.
But unfortunately, we have a God who lives with the greatest wealth imaginable while so many are starving. He has billions of people worshipping him, while so many are suffering loneliness and rejection. He doesn’t have the basic charity to just give simple instructions or the grace of understanding while so many are confused.
I had an evangelical Christian recently tell me that God would give me everything I asked for that is according to his will. So, I asked God, “What is your will that I might ask for it”. No answer, so I said “God’s will be done in and through me”.
I’m sure it’s God’s will I’m doing then. I asked God for understanding and no more confusion. Is it his will that I have no confusion? I guess I’m just as confused as God wants me to be
God asks many things that he has to provide the power to do
Psalm 119
For example in the longest chapter of the Bible every line almost is a acceptance of God's word
but almost every line is also a prayer for help in obeying
Mr Faux
Member
Ok here, god did not write the bible. Not say some storys are true. Most are redirect in all parts of the world with their own spin. I can not tell you. You already know. Which is why you are divided. These quests are meant for you an only you. If you confide in another you may learn some verses but how can u use it really. You are the tool the key an the lock. Discussion is you wave. That same wave we all struggle with. Most wont admit it but 9 timez they are more confused than u are....hint nothing but scripture. Experience life out side of a book. Feel it....actually see. God gave u sight use it lov
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
I'd have to be convinced it was god, or at least A god.
Then? Once convinced (and it would take a lot of convincing, not just "voices"... because I may be experiencing a waking dream, or a hallucination) once convinced, I would listen to what he said.
If it was imply informative? I'd likely wonder "why tell ME? Why not publish?"
If it was a demand that I do something? I'd have to ask, "wait a minute. Is this moral? Is this thing you want me to do ethical?"
Because if this god asked me to hurt someone? Anyone? There had better be a darn good reason, or else I'd tell this god to just push off. And this god-creature would have to be really convincing that it really was up to ME, and why didn't god simply take care of things-- IS NOT THAT IT'S JOB?
I absolutely see no value in "doing what god wants" here. Abraham was absolutely Evil for being willing to murder his son....
Then? Once convinced (and it would take a lot of convincing, not just "voices"... because I may be experiencing a waking dream, or a hallucination) once convinced, I would listen to what he said.
If it was imply informative? I'd likely wonder "why tell ME? Why not publish?"
If it was a demand that I do something? I'd have to ask, "wait a minute. Is this moral? Is this thing you want me to do ethical?"
Because if this god asked me to hurt someone? Anyone? There had better be a darn good reason, or else I'd tell this god to just push off. And this god-creature would have to be really convincing that it really was up to ME, and why didn't god simply take care of things-- IS NOT THAT IT'S JOB?
I absolutely see no value in "doing what god wants" here. Abraham was absolutely Evil for being willing to murder his son....
Honestly, that is the funniest thing I think I've ever heard anyone say about having an experience of God! "Indepently peer reviewed". Do you say the same thing when you experience love with someone?
"Well, Brian, this could be love, but I'm going to have to submit a paper for independent peer review before I can confidently respond with an answer to your question about what I'm feeling. Subjective experience cannot be trusted, and must be met with scientific rigor before we can say for sure."
Love exists, tried it before, have you? I know the physical and emotional sensations
As yet no god has brought me to orgasm or even tried. You have one in mind then please offer evidence of said super lover. Until then, failed sarcasm is just as much a failure as attempts to prove a god exists.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Jehovah’s witnesses will say, pray to God for understanding and read the Bible and you will be enlightened to understand his word. So many Protestants will say the same thing roughly. Catholics will say the same thing, (but at least Catholics have the obvious ability to identify the obvious truth that the Bible is not the final or only authority).
So, all of the thousands of denominations of Christianity read the same book and come up with opposite beliefs or morals, indicating that the book is not trustworthy, nor is God, because they all claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them.
So, what if God actually cared enough about you to get off his rich, selfish, narcissistic, lazy *** and actually talk to you? What if he wasn’t asking you to do anything like commit violence, condemn, judge, or kill Idolaters and what not?
What if he asked you “Worship me, visit this hospital, visit this nursing home, give this person food, give this person money, donate to this charity, forgive this enemy, be humble, be kind, don’t look at porn, don’t fornicate, don’t commit adultery, don’t be angry, don’t covet, don’t be jealous, don’t be lazy, and don’t over eat”.
Would you listen to and do your best to obey such a God? I know I would greet such a God with open arms and do everything possible to obey him.
But unfortunately, we have a God who lives with the greatest wealth imaginable while so many are starving. He has billions of people worshipping him, while so many are suffering loneliness and rejection. He doesn’t have the basic charity to just give simple instructions or the grace of understanding while so many are confused.
I had an evangelical Christian recently tell me that God would give me everything I asked for that is according to his will. So, I asked God, “What is your will that I might ask for it”. No answer, so I said “God’s will be done in and through me”.
I’m sure it’s God’s will I’m doing then. I asked God for understanding and no more confusion. Is it his will that I have no confusion? I guess I’m just as confused as God wants me to be
Jehovah’s witnesses will say, pray to God for understanding and read the Bible and you will be enlightened to understand his word. So many Protestants will say the same thing roughly. Catholics will say the same thing, (but at least Catholics have the obvious ability to identify the obvious truth that the Bible is not the final or only authority).
So, all of the thousands of denominations of Christianity read the same book and come up with opposite beliefs or morals, indicating that the book is not trustworthy, nor is God, because they all claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them.
So, what if God actually cared enough about you to get off his rich, selfish, narcissistic, lazy *** and actually talk to you? What if he wasn’t asking you to do anything like commit violence, condemn, judge, or kill Idolaters and what not?
What if he asked you “Worship me, visit this hospital, visit this nursing home, give this person food, give this person money, donate to this charity, forgive this enemy, be humble, be kind, don’t look at porn, don’t fornicate, don’t commit adultery, don’t be angry, don’t covet, don’t be jealous, don’t be lazy, and don’t over eat”.
Would you listen to and do your best to obey such a God? I know I would greet such a God with open arms and do everything possible to obey him.
But unfortunately, we have a God who lives with the greatest wealth imaginable while so many are starving. He has billions of people worshipping him, while so many are suffering loneliness and rejection. He doesn’t have the basic charity to just give simple instructions or the grace of understanding while so many are confused.
I had an evangelical Christian recently tell me that God would give me everything I asked for that is according to his will. So, I asked God, “What is your will that I might ask for it”. No answer, so I said “God’s will be done in and through me”.
I’m sure it’s God’s will I’m doing then. I asked God for understanding and no more confusion. Is it his will that I have no confusion? I guess I’m just as confused as God wants me to be
First this god would have to demonstrate that he/she is worthy of my obedience.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Jehovah’s witnesses will say, pray to God for understanding and read the Bible and you will be enlightened to understand his word. So many Protestants will say the same thing roughly. Catholics will say the same thing, (but at least Catholics have the obvious ability to identify the obvious truth that the Bible is not the final or only authority).
So, all of the thousands of denominations of Christianity read the same book and come up with opposite beliefs or morals, indicating that the book is not trustworthy, nor is God, because they all claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them.
So, what if God actually cared enough about you to get off his rich, selfish, narcissistic, lazy *** and actually talk to you? What if he wasn’t asking you to do anything like commit violence, condemn, judge, or kill Idolaters and what not?
What if he asked you “Worship me, visit this hospital, visit this nursing home, give this person food, give this person money, donate to this charity, forgive this enemy, be humble, be kind, don’t look at porn, don’t fornicate, don’t commit adultery, don’t be angry, don’t covet, don’t be jealous, don’t be lazy, and don’t over eat”.
Would you listen to and do your best to obey such a God? I know I would greet such a God with open arms and do everything possible to obey him.
But unfortunately, we have a God who lives with the greatest wealth imaginable while so many are starving. He has billions of people worshipping him, while so many are suffering loneliness and rejection. He doesn’t have the basic charity to just give simple instructions or the grace of understanding while so many are confused.
I had an evangelical Christian recently tell me that God would give me everything I asked for that is according to his will. So, I asked God, “What is your will that I might ask for it”. No answer, so I said “God’s will be done in and through me”.
I’m sure it’s God’s will I’m doing then. I asked God for understanding and no more confusion. Is it his will that I have no confusion? I guess I’m just as confused as God wants me to be
Didn't vote in the poll.
I was just reminded that before one can truly answer such a poll, one must, at least for the sake of argument, acknowledge that God just might come down and speak to one.
In all my conversations with atheists (and certain evangelicals, FWIW), I have found that nobody, and I mean nobody, if God Himself came down and told someone to do something that differed from an already set upon POV, that the answer is 'no.'
As in...to the question of 'would you believe in God if God Himself came down and spoke to you?" the atheist answer I get EVERY SINGLE TIME is the circular 'no, because since God does not exist, God cannot speak to me."
The evangelists might acknowledge that god exists, but isn't talking. Comments from them are "if Jesus Christ Himself came down and told me that there was something incorrect about the Bible, I'd turn my back upon Jesus and hold to the Book."
The results are the same either way. Nobody would pay attention.
Please don't group all atheists as the same. See my post #24 and post #36 from @Bob the Unbeliever for a contradictions of your assertion