If God commanded you to...

[an anarchist]

If someone says I will not do something to God when he commands you that means you don't believe God exists so that whole statement is an oxymoron. It does not make sense.

What you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you believe that believers can sin? I do.

God says not to sin. Yet, the believer sins. That contradicts what you are saying.

 

[Father Heathen]

That you assumed i would say yes.

The post you referenced made no mention of you.

 

[Father Heathen]

You maybe a Bible believer but I am not.

If someone says I will not do something to God when he commands you that means you don't believe God exists so that whole statement is an oxymoron. It does not make sense.

So if you believe in god, and he shows up and tells you to eat a poop sandwich, he'll cease to exist if you refuse?

 

[an anarchist]

You maybe a Bible believer but I am not.

Just for clarification I'm not one either. I was a Biblical literalist for the longest time but no more.

 

[firedragon]

What you're saying doesn't make sense.

Do you believe that believers can sin? I do.

God says not to sin. Yet, the believer sins. That contradicts what you are saying.

You are right. Everyone can sin. Thats not relevant to God coming in person and instructing someone directly.

Hope you understand that.

 

[firedragon]

So if you believe in god, and he shows up and tells you to eat a poop sandwich, he'll cease to exist if you refuse?

Its an oxymoron.

If God exists, and he comes in person, instructs you, you will do it. Simple. Unless you don't believe God exists, which means he cannot come in person because God does not exist, which is a contradiction. It's not logical. Its not even a logical possibility.

 

[firedragon]

Just for clarification I'm not one either. I was a Biblical literalist for the longest time but no more.

not a problem Xavier. Just don't quote the Bible as if it's absolute truth if you don't believe it is.

Cheers.

 

[an anarchist]

You are right. Everyone can sin. Thats not relevant to God coming in person and instructing someone directly.

Hope you understand that.

I don't understand.

It is relevant.

You are saying that it is impossible to disobey God if He commands you directly. We aren't Bible believers but it's what I know so I'll point to it to help illustrate my point.

Jonah disobeyed God. He is considered a prophet so that means he had direct contact with God, or something like that. He ran away when God directly instructed him what to do.

Help me understand how it is impossible to disobey God if He directly commands you.

 

[firedragon]

Jonah disobeyed God.

How do you know? Are you sure?

 

[an anarchist]

How do you know? Are you sure?

Well, according to the Biblical narrative, Jonah did. Do you have another insight, perhaps an Islamic point of view of Jonah?

 

[Father Heathen]

Its an oxymoron.

If God exists, and he comes in person, instructs you, you will do it. Simple. Unless you don't believe God exists, which means he cannot come in person because God does not exist, which is a contradiction. It's not logical. Its not even a logical possibility.

Isn't the Koran considered god's instruction? So if someone reads it yet doesn't abide by it, is that proof god doesn't exist?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Its an oxymoron.

If God exists, and he comes in person, instructs you, you will do it. Simple. Unless you don't believe God exists, which means he cannot come in person because God does not exist, which is a contradiction. It's not logical. Its not even a logical possibility.

Only hold for a certain definition of God. I could believe God exists, but that God is evil.

 

[firedragon]

Well, according to the Biblical narrative, Jonah did.

Okay. So again, you are a Bible believer though you claim you are not. I am not for sure.

 

[firedragon]

Isn't the Koran considered god's instruction? So if someone reads it yet doesn't abide by it, is that proof god doesn't exist?

Not like God coming in person and instructing you mate. And this argument has nothing to do with the Qur'an. Its just an argument.

 

[firedragon]

Only hold for a certain definition of God. I could believe God exists, but that God is evil.

Great. So you believe in an Evil God. Is he all knowing and all wise? Just a curious question.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If God commanded you to sacrifice your child, would you do it?

Christians, suppose Jesus Himself appeared to you and gave you this command. Would you do it?

Abraham is praised for being willing to do so.

Debate point: should you sacrifice your child if God commands it?

Not a believer so can't answer the poll, but did I miss any references to Hitler (or Putin), and where it might possibly be justified to do so?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Great. So you believe in an Evil God. Is he all knowing and all wise? Just a curious question.

I wrote I could, not that I do.

 

[Colt]

If God commanded you to sacrifice your child, would you do it?

Christians, suppose Jesus Himself appeared to you and gave you this command. Would you do it?

Abraham is praised for being willing to do so.

Debate point: should you sacrifice your child if God commands it?

Good question. God never commanded blood sacrifices. God is by nature loving and forgiving. In our ignorance man concocted the atonement schemes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Even if a trip of heaven was guaranteed, it denies the victim the choice over their own life.

It's easy to make a "sacrifice" when the loss is someone else's.

So it would be like uprooting one's family to move to a new, far-away city.

That would also deny the child choice over their own life. There would also be sacrifices on the child's part - severed friendships and the like - that are imposed on the child without consent.

Again: if we take the tenets of the religion as true, the act makes sense.

 

[leroy]

What if there is only irrefutable evidence that He is God? But He either doesn't give a reason or that you disagree with the reason?

There is a crucial point here: Is God the source of morality or simply a personification of it? In the first, whatever God decrees is automatically moral *by definition*. In the second, God recognizes what is moral, and agrees to it, but morality itself is not *from* God.

Given the absence of 'yes' votes, it seems that the second position is the most common.

Well there are 2 completely different questions .
1 what should I do? (Answer sacrifice my child)

2 what would I do? (Answer Ignore the command, dont sacrifice my child)

There is a crucial point here: Is God the source of morality or simply a personification of it? In the first, whatever God decrees is automatically moral *by definition*. In the second, God recognizes what is moral, and agrees to it, but morality itself is not *from* God.

What if I have a time machine, prove beyond reasonable doubt, to you that i really come from the future, and then tell you that you should sacrifice your child for the well being of humanity. (No details are given)

Also asume that you trust me , and you consider unlikely that I would lie to you.

Would you sacrifice your child? ( No )should you sacrifice your child ? (YES.)


My point is that while intelectually you know that you should sacrifice your child, chances say that enotionally you couldn't.

So in response to your question, yes what God commands is automatically morally ogood, but that doest change the fact that it is stilll hard to follow the command even if intelectally you know its the correct thing to do.