IF God dislikes GAYS , Why does God CREATE THEM ?

[Shadow Wolf]

show me anywhere in nature where two men or two women produce children ... we're talking what is normal vs what is abnormal

Even after I say that is a weak reason, and even something beneficial as there are too many of us, is that the only thing you can say as to why it's unnatural?

Is someone forcing you to believe in my God ??

That is ignoring my question.

Oh I think it did ... you simply reject the answer ... that's okay, you are free willed to reject

Your response did not address the question of why the structure of family has never remained constant, or why no one complains about the modern model of a parents and children under the same roof.

you never died so I guess you never will ? ... lol ....... know this first of all .. that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking .. following after their own lusts .. and saying . . . where is the promise of his coming .. for ever since the fathers fell asleep .. all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation .. for when they maintain this .. it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water .. through which the world at that time was destroyed .. being flooded with water .. but by his word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire .. kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men .. but do not let this one fact escape your notice .. beloved .. that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years .. and a thousand years like one day .. the Lord is not slow about his promise .. as some count slowness .. but is patient toward you .. not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance .... II Peter 3:3-9

People have always insisted, since the founding of Christianity, they are living in the end of days. But the "signs" have always existed. What gives your claims any more merit than those of early Christianity?

wow, you're brilliant ... have another drink ?

You think I'm drunk because I dare have the nerve to question god?

God is the creator of life ... He has the authority to take life ... God owes you nothing ... get over yourself

I never said god owes me anything. However, just because god is a god does not mean god get's a free pass.

 

[fantome profane]

oh you poor thing lol ... was someone killed because of this ?? ... it's called freedom of speech .. and it's "Adam and Steve" not adam and steven lol sheeesh

You know it occurs to me that even today the name Adam is a very common man's name, and so is the name Steve. And the odds are pretty good that somewhere out there a gay man named Adam met and fell in love with a man named Steve. And I am sure Adam and Steve are a very lovely couple and I wish them all the best. Even if "God" did not create them.

 

[jojom]

I left religion because I didn't want anything to do with a god that simply didn't like anything, except himself.

Yeah, he doesn't come across as the most psychologically stable kind of guy.


.

 

[dadmansabode-com]

Sorry but the greek word in question is so little used historically, that scholars don't even know its true meaning let alone giving it 7 distinct meanings like you do.

lol .. so in other words ... your argument was just destroyed ... it's okay, I'm sure you're still a good person

 

[Lyndon]

Actually no, its your argument that was destroyed.

You quoted a poor translation of the Bible to back up your claim that homosexuals are damned, when the greek word being translated does not even mean homosexuals.

 

[psychoslice]

Yeah, he doesn't come across as the most psychologically stable kind of guy.


.

Yea, I suppose that's why his son was born in a stable lol.

 

[SomeRandom]

Exactly! Thank you.He became gay because of abuse, and choice,not because he was born that way.I am not absolving anyone.Do not presume to think you know what I know.Thanks.

Excuse me can I say that is an appalling, disrespectful and despicable thing to say about sexual abuse survivors.
Did you conveniently forget that the vast majority of sexually abused children are heterosexual? Not to mention not all homosexual people have any abuse in their lives? That right there proves that you have nothing more than correlation on your side.
Secondly kindly do not give the abuser that much power over our sexual orientation.
Coming to terms with one's sexual orientation after abuse is a highly complicated matter.
Many report knowing their sexual orientation BEFORE the abuse occurs. Whatever that orientation may be.
Thirdly, you forget about bisexuality and trust. If a child who is somewhere on the bisexual scale and abused by the opposite sex, then they could find that they can only truly trust members of their own sex and seek out partners of the same sex because it's much easier and without the recurring triggers than with a relationship of the opposite sex. This doesn't make them gay, though. As they are still bisexual by default. Sexual orientation is defined as attraction not behaviour, after all.
The same could be said of a bisexual child being abused by the same sex. They seek out relationships with members of the opposite sex because it's easier.
Your presumption that abuse from a member of the same sex turns someone gay disintegrates once you look at it properly. Trust. Why would someone actively seek triggers that cause them emotional turmoil? Did it ever occur to you that your friend had to overcome trust issues just to be in homosexual relationships or are you another one of those cowards who hide behind sexually abused children in order to justify the anti gay sentiment of "it's a choice?" I sincerely believe you're not one of those cowards, but it disappoints me that you seem to dismiss the potential progress your friend may have had to make just to be comfortable around members of the same sex.
Side note can I please ask the public to kindly stop dragging us into this topic to use as your pawns as "proof" of anything. We are not case studies, you know?

Then to complicate matters further is the issue of "fantasies." When a child is abused, due to their confusion and curiosity they can in fact have fantasies about the abuse. This is a thing, not discussed with the public due to the squeamishness of the subject. But this is a known phenomenon. This does not absolve the survivor of their trust issues and they will still suffer from triggers. Instead this is compounded with the confusion, shame and often self disgust that comes with having fantasies.
I'm not entirely sure why these fantasies occur. Maybe as a way to try to come to terms with the abuse, perhaps imagining a scenario that doesn't cause harm by focusing on the "reaction" aspect. Not sure not a psychologist.

There's all sorts of other things happening and all sorts of variables. But I don't have time to write a book. And it's starting to turn into one as it is.

You're severely oversimplifying the relationship of sexual orientation and sexual abuse. I know he's your friend and I hope you are supportive of him but kindly don't pretend that you know what goes on in that process. Other abuse survivors have a better insight because they literally live it. That's not an insult or trying to be arrogant it's the truth. Survivors can explain this to their friends and family and will find sympathy and support (hopefully.) But among other survivors you will find true understanding and little judgement.

And yes I am a survivor. And for your information I was abused by a member of the opposite sex. I suppose you're going to suggest that my heterosexuality is a result of the abuse? There's a few words I would like to say to that, but it would conflict with the rules of the forum.

 

[Diomedes]

People who say god hates this or that cannot confirm it In anyway. God hates actions and evil/bad deed. A girl loves another girl and they finger each other doesnt mean god hates them. He just hates what they're doing. If your daughter came home I love with the son of a drug lord biker gang, you wouldn't hate her just her actions. You would hate knowing some biker kid is screwing your daughter.

 

[psychoslice]

People who say god hates this or that cannot confirm it In anyway. God hates actions and evil/bad deed. A girl loves another girl and they finger each other doesnt mean god hates them. He just hates what they're doing. If your daughter came home I love with the son of a drug lord biker gang, you wouldn't hate her just her actions. You would hate knowing some biker kid is screwing your daughter.

Its non of god business, is he a pervert ?.

 

[Nada]

Excuse me can I say that is an appalling, disrespectful and despicable thing to say about sexual abuse survivors.
Did you conveniently forget that the vast majority of sexually abused children are heterosexual? Not to mention not all homosexual people have any abuse in their lives? That right there proves that you have nothing more than correlation on your side.
Secondly kindly do not give the abuser that much power over our sexual orientation.
Coming to terms with one's sexual orientation after abuse is a highly complicated matter.
Many report knowing their sexual orientation BEFORE the abuse occurs. Whatever that orientation may be.
Thirdly, you forget about bisexuality and trust. If a child who is somewhere on the bisexual scale and abused by the opposite sex, then they could find that they can only truly trust members of their own sex and seek out partners of the same sex because it's much easier and without the recurring triggers than with a relationship of the opposite sex. This doesn't make them gay, though. As they are still bisexual by default. Sexual orientation is defined as attraction not behaviour, after all.
The same could be said of a bisexual child being abused by the same sex. They seek out relationships with members of the opposite sex because it's easier.
Your presumption that abuse from a member of the same sex turns someone gay disintegrates once you look at it properly. Trust. Why would someone actively seek triggers that cause them emotional turmoil? Did it ever occur to you that your friend had to overcome trust issues just to be in homosexual relationships or are you another one of those cowards who hide behind sexually abused children in order to justify the anti gay sentiment of "it's a choice?" I sincerely believe you're not one of those cowards, but it disappoints me that you seem to dismiss the potential progress your friend may have had to make just to be comfortable around members of the same sex.
Side note can I please ask the public to kindly stop dragging us into this topic to use as your pawns as "proof" of anything. We are not case studies, you know?

Then to complicate matters further is the issue of "fantasies." When a child is abused, due to their confusion and curiosity they can in fact have fantasies about the abuse. This is a thing, not discussed with the public due to the squeamishness of the subject. But this is a known phenomenon. This does not absolve the survivor of their trust issues and they will still suffer from triggers. Instead this is compounded with the confusion, shame and often self disgust that comes with having fantasies.
I'm not entirely sure why these fantasies occur. Maybe as a way to try to come to terms with the abuse, perhaps imagining a scenario that doesn't cause harm by focusing on the "reaction" aspect. Not sure not a psychologist.

There's all sorts of other things happening and all sorts of variables. But I don't have time to write a book. And it's starting to turn into one as it is.

You're severely oversimplifying the relationship of sexual orientation and sexual abuse. I know he's your friend and I hope you are supportive of him but kindly don't pretend that you know what goes on in that process. Other abuse survivors have a better insight because they literally live it. That's not an insult or trying to be arrogant it's the truth. Survivors can explain this to their friends and family and will find sympathy and support (hopefully.) But among other survivors you will find true understanding and little judgement.

And yes I am a survivor. And for your information I was abused by a member of the opposite sex. I suppose you're going to suggest that my heterosexuality is a result of the abuse? There's a few words I would like to say to that, but it would conflict with the rules of the forum.

Yes,you can say that.Thanks for your opinions.I will believe my friend and his story.Thanks.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes,you can say that.Thanks for your opinions.I will believe my friend and his story.Thanks.

I kindly suggest actually talking to your friend and perhaps not being so judgmental of his sexual orientation.
Just friendly advice.

 

[MARCELLO]

oh you poor thing lol ... was someone killed because of this ?? ... it's called freedom of speech .. and it's "Adam and Steve" not adam and steven lol sheeesh

I am so glad that a torch like you corrected me for my mistake of adam and steven and yet you are still being so funny . Let me say adam and mohammad ,what's changed?

 

[Nada]

I kindly suggest actually talking to your friend and perhaps not being so judgmental of his sexual orientation.
Just friendly advice.

Thanks, but no judgment here.I'm just telling what he told me.

 

[wintersolstice]

Is it my imagination or is there an inordinate and disproprotionate focus on gays on RF? Gay marriage, God & gays, the Bible and gays....and on and on ad nauseum. Some people are gay, some are straight, some bi, some trans and that's the way life is. Get over it!

 

[McDoogins]

For me, I don't think god really hated gay people as much as idol worshipers or others.

Mainly because being gay isn't in the ten commandments, so to me that means homophobic Christians are just channeling they're energy on the few quotes and ignoring the commandments importance at their leisure.

 

[SomeRandom]

Thanks, but no judgment here.I'm just telling what he told me.

So he told you he is gay because his uncle abused him? Far be it from me to judge a statement from a fellow survivor. I just find it a tiny bit suspicious someone would say that is all. Not saying you are lying, of course. Just a tad strange.
But I suppose people will react how they're going to react.

 

[Nada]

So he told you he is gay because his uncle abused him? Far be it from me to judge a statement from a fellow survivor. I just find it a tiny bit suspicious someone would say that is all. Not saying you are lying, of course. Just a tad strange.
But I suppose people will react how they're going to react.

Ok.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is it my imagination or is there an inordinate and disproprotionate focus on gays on RF? Gay marriage, God & gays, the Bible and gays....and on and on ad nauseum. Some people are gay, some are straight, some bi, some trans and that's the way life is. Get over it!

You aren't the only one who has noticed this. It seems like after the Supreme Court decision that legalized gay marriage, there was a surge of anti-gay focus here.
And I still delight in letting my inner sadist shine through and grin from ear to ear knowing people are still huddled up in a fetal position, crying, wailing, and gnashing their teeth over the decision.

 

[Mitch M]

So whats the difference in Prostitution and Sharing needles. ?

it's all -The Same / - Blood Crimes. The Same eXacT results are - diseases spread, germs, bacterium, illness and sickness through contact, with an infected individuals blood.

Sodomy can also be - a BLOOD Crime. Penetrating the Fecal orbit - Anus, of many, many different tYpe people and spreading the DIFFERENT STRAINS of combined, gathered germs, bacterium and anal parasites to both knowing and unknowing victims. Is a BLOOD CRIME. The People in Biblical time did what was necessary to keep their people safe from Germs, Bacterium, Diseases, Plagues, AND Sickness and Self distruction.

People from different camps, villages, towns, cities, countries, continents are gathering various types of feces into their bodies and demanding that it is Love. to be shared and spread around

This is all explained in the BIBLE.... Why pretend to have SCRIPTURES for Your CLAIMS. ?
You only - misrepresent the bible. -- I am SORRY. - You simply have no scriptures -for Your IDEAS, CLAIMS and FAITH.

Abraham, is NEVER Even RECORDED to have condemned anyone for Blood Crimes. That was Moses. The basis for Your Theology is ERROR.

Why Would You complain about a Group of people who EXCLUDE / BAN - Dangerous Behaving People from their Society. Who are spreading diseases, sickness and plagues and germs among their families. -- This is what the Law of Moses CLEARLY Defined.

Basic Cleanliness - Cleaning pots, pans, vessels, Washing, BATHING Every Single time after SEX, Washing after touching Dead People or animals. Keeping away from other people if You touch a Dead ROTTING Animal. Making sure to Mary a virgin or a widow. No sex with Animals. No gay sex. - And 'When any Woman or Man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean.

And whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, Whoever sits on anything that is unclean shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and bathe his body in running water ......................
'If any man has an emission of semen, then he shall wash all his body in water, and be unclean until evening. And any garment and any leather on which there is semen, it shall be washed with water.
'If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood - everything that she sits on shall be unclean.

the LAW was to --- ___ ** separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness . Don't Eat bats, Lions, Cats, Rats, Eel, stingray, and catfish fishes with no fins and scales ) Snakes . Don't Eat Raw Blood.

Men who have had sex with other men represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV.

In 2010, MSM accounted for at least 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S. -

2% of the US population, Represent - 61% of all new HIV infections Again - 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S.

and an estimated 77% of diagnosed HIV infections among males were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. Between 2008 and 2010, the estimated overall incidence of HIV was stable in the U.S. However the incidence in MSM increased 12%, while it decreased in other populations.

I still Believe that Abraham can not be Blamed for the Danger that Homosexuals bring Upon themselves and to others that they deceive.

it is not Abrahams Fault that Homosexuals are Baned and NOT ALLOWED to Donate Blood or Organs in the USA - ---* I jUST am not seeing Homosexuality as a good thing. And pretending that Homosexuality is good is being dishonest.

 

[Jumi]

People can have false ideas about what causes diseases to spread. It would be sad if they based rejection of other people on misconceptions and misinterpretation of statistics that could easily be remedied by learning what is now known.