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If God existed how could it be proven?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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MikeF said:
It cannot be proven. By the parameters you have set, an entity that is undetectable, with no material or physical properties, is by definition, imaginary, not real or existent, not part of reality.

Since the entity is imaginary, you cannot attest to any properties it may have other than imaginary ones.
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What you said would only be true if the only reality is the physical reality.
How do you know there is no other reality beyond the physical reality?
Can you prove that there s no reality beyond the physical reality? Can you prove that God is imaginary?
If not, those are just personal opinions.
 
U

Unveiled Artist

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Trailblazer said:
If God existed, could we prove it? How could we prove it?

How could we prove that God exists if God is in hiding, undetectable by humans?

How could we prove God exists if God is not in the material world and has no physical properties?

Since God insists on hiding, it makes more sense to me that God should provide the evidence or proof, especially if God wants people to believe that He exists.

But how could God provide evidence or proof that He exists?

If God does not provide any evidence or proof why should we believe that God exists? How would it be fair for God to expect us to believe with no evidence or proof?

If God existed, what would God do to prove it? How could God prove that He exists and still remain in hiding?

Atheists, if God existed what would you expect God to do to prove that He exists? What would be adequate proof for you to believe that God exists? Would you expect absolute proof of would you accept evidence?
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Cliff notes: Spiritual awakening

The spiritual awakening would have to be distinct enough that I'd know which god(s) are responsible for the spiritual awakening or whether that awakening lead to realization of the nature of existence.

How can an the source or experience of something life-changing can be in hiding?
Why would it make sense that an spiritual awakening have physical characteristics?

If you mean something like ghostbusters or casper, I don't believe there is such a way to have proof. It's an odd question that would "need" to be analyzed in more detail (thereby conversation) to answer the questions. Though, believers tend to stop short-so its hard for atheist to answer if believers find it hard to answer the questions themselves.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Nimos said:
In regards to a God providing proofs, I would expect them to be absolute.
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Why would proof be absolute?
Nimos said:
God himself would know how to prove himself and I wouldn't expect it to be very difficult for him either, to be honest.
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That's right, God could do that, but at what cost to humans?
Most people believe that God exists because of the proof that God has provided, so why should God prove Himself to the atheists who do not accept the proof God has provided?
 
nPeace

nPeace

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Trailblazer said:
If God existed, could we prove it? How could we prove it?

How could we prove that God exists if God is in hiding, undetectable by humans?

How could we prove God exists if God is not in the material world and has no physical properties?

Since God insists on hiding, it makes more sense to me that God should provide the evidence or proof, especially if God wants people to believe that He exists.

But how could God provide evidence or proof that He exists?

If God does not provide any evidence or proof why should we believe that God exists? How would it be fair for God to expect us to believe with no evidence or proof?

If God existed, what would God do to prove it? How could God prove that He exists and still remain in hiding?

Atheists, if God existed what would you expect God to do to prove that He exists? What would be adequate proof for you to believe that God exists? Would you expect absolute proof of would you accept evidence?
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I have heard the argument from some Atheists here that proof is in Mathematics, so I think they ask not for proof, but evidence. Maybe they differ in that regard. :shrug:
 
MikeF

MikeF

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Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
What you said would only be true if the only reality is the physical reality.
How do you know there is no other reality beyond the physical reality?
Can you prove that there s no reality beyond the physical reality? Can you prove that God is imaginary?
If not, those are just personal opinions.
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Hmmm ... I thought the task was to prove that a particular entity existed, not that it didn't exist.

All we have is what is know. Anything outside of that is unknown. By definition, if it is unknown, we cannot say anything about what that set may contain, except as noted below.

We have the capacity to imagine things that do not exist in reality. This set of imaginable things is essentially infinite. We cannot assign anything from the set of what can be imagined to the set of what is unknown. It does not make sense. It provides no value, no truth, does not add to what is known.

We do have the capacity to infer from what is know into the set of what is unknown. But these are just guesses and speculation. They cannot be treated as real and actual until empirical evidence supports them.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Heyo said:
The real problem in finding god is that nobody knows what a god is. If you don't know what you're looking for, it is very hard to find it.
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That is very true. You have to at least know something about God in order to know what to look for.
Heyo said:
If it is real, there should be physical evidence. The method to look for it would be science.
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That all depends upon how you define real. ;)

Real: actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=real+means

Real is what exists, not what is imagined, but real is not necessarily confined to the physical reality.
If God is not physical God cannot be proven with science.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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lostwanderingsoul said:
God is not "proven". God is "revealed". He opens the eyes of those he chooses. Can't see him? He has not opened your eyes.
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I believe there is truth to that because God guides those who He chooses to guide. However I think we need to make an effort, and I do not believe that God guides people against their will. I believe people have to be seeking or at least open to being guided.

““Whoso maketh efforts for Us,” he shall enjoy the blessings conferred by the words: “In Our Ways shall We assuredly guide him.”” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 266-267
 
Heyo

Heyo

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Trailblazer said:
Real is what exists, not what is imagined, but real is not necessarily confined to the physical reality.
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As I often state and link to my philosophy (5 Planes of Existence) real is confined to the physical reality. At the same time I don't deny the existence of things that aren't real. I find it useful to distinguish between "real" and "existing".
 
Suave

Suave

Simulated character
Trailblazer said:
If God existed, could we prove it? How could we prove it?

How could we prove that God exists if God is in hiding, undetectable by humans?

How could we prove God exists if God is not in the material world and has no physical properties?

Since God insists on hiding, it makes more sense to me that God should provide the evidence or proof, especially if God wants people to believe that He exists.

But how could God provide evidence or proof that He exists?

If God does not provide any evidence or proof why should we believe that God exists? How would it be fair for God to expect us to believe with no evidence or proof?

If God existed, what would God do to prove it? How could God prove that He exists and still remain in hiding?

Atheists, if God existed what would you expect God to do to prove that He exists? What would be adequate proof for you to believe that God exists? Would you expect absolute proof of would you accept evidence?
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When counting nucleons within each amino acid, and their sums as grouped according to their codon mapping, a mathematical pattern emerges. Our genetic code's creator has left this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying to me the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. Based on this signal of intelligence left in our genetic code, I suspect our genetic coding was created by a greater intelligence beyond the limited scope of us humans on Earth.
 
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