If God existed, under these conditions, would there be any atheists?

[Trailblazer]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If God wanted to make everyone believe in him and had the power to do so, would everyone believe in him?

Well, shucks, let me think about it ...

And for the rest of you, remember when your momma said that there's no such thing as a dumb question?

 

[Jimmy]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

Prolly not

 

[Trailblazer]

If God wanted to make everyone believe in him and had the power to do so, would everyone believe in him?

I know it is a dumb question but can you answer yes or no and explain why you hold that opinion?

 

[Trailblazer]

Prolly not

But there might still be some atheists, because of free will.

 

[Nimos]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

That is a strange question Trailblazer?

Clearly if he would use all his power to prove himself and he can do anything that is not logically possible, then there is no boundaries to what he can do... so I find it hard to believe that there would be any atheists... but on the other hand, if God were so obsessed with trying to convince atheists in the first place... then clearly such God would make it impossible for anyone to be an atheist to begin with

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

To the abrahamic god, no. There wouldn't be atheist. We'd have no reason to not believe something exist if we know it actually does. Assuming atheist meaning disbelief in the abrahamic deity rather than deities in general.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

It depends on whether he wants everyone to believe in him or not. If he exists now, he's purposely hiding himself.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is a strange question Trailblazer?

I know it is strange Nimos, but it is not my question, it is the question posed by my atheist friend on another forum. He is too cowardly to come here and post it himself so I posted it for him. Besides, I was curious to see what atheists would say.

He believes there is only one answer and he asserts it as if it is a fact. He says: I asserted that under certain hypothetical conditions (the god being omnipotent, omniscient, and desiring that everyone believe in him), there would be no atheists.

Clearly if he would use all his power to prove himself and he can do anything that is not logically possible, then there is no boundaries to what he can do... so I find it hard to believe that there would be any atheists...

You find it hard to believe that there would be any atheists under these conditions, but do you think there would be no atheists under these conditions? Do you think it could ever be proven that there would be no atheists under these conditions?

but on the other hand, if God were so obsessed with trying to convince atheists in the first place... then clearly such God would make it impossible for anyone to be an atheist to begin with

One logical answer down, and more to go. I knew I could count on you @ Nimos

BTW, I just completed your other post in my Word doc so I will be posting it shortly.

 

[sun rise]

would there be any atheists?

Yes to me it's a given. Atheists focus on truth and proof. Those are critical in the evolutionary development of the soul.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is a strange question Trailblazer?

It qualifies for a Hindi saying: "Soot na kapas, Julahe se lattham lattha" (Neither the thread nor cotton, but take up fight with the weaver).
First prove the existence of God / Allah, and you straight-away give him (?, Male) all the attributes and ask how would he act!
Not a strange question. I knew (probably all the members knew) that something more will crop up.

 

[Trailblazer]

To the abrahamic god, no. There wouldn't be atheist. We'd have no reason to not believe something exist if we know it actually does.

Why then do some people believe that the earth is flat when it has been proven that the earth is round?

Don't you think that people have free will to choose to reject a belief in God even if it had been proven to them that God exists? Mind you, it would not be a smart thing to do, but not all people are smart.

 

[Trailblazer]

It depends on whether he wants everyone to believe in him or not. If he exists now, he's purposely hiding himself.

That is true, it would depend upon whether all atheists wanted to believe in God.
They could deny the proof if they did not want to believe in God.

God is purposefully hiding part of Himself but not all of Himself. God revealed just enough to be believable to most people but not enough to be believable to all people.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes to me it's a given. Atheists focus on truth and proof.

Are you saying yes there would be atheists, even if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists?

 

[Trailblazer]

No. Not a strange question. Because I believe Trailblazer will have something to say about Bhaollah and Bhai. If it was not that, there would not have been this topic. It will load something else.

Surprise, surprise, this thread has nothing to do with Baha'u'llah...
See what I said to Nimos about why I posted this thread in my post to him: #9

 

[Aupmanyav]

God is purposefully hiding part of Himself but not all of Himself. God revealed just enough to be believable to most people but not enough to be believable to all people.

There. I knew it will come up.
That is the crux of what you want to say. God is hiding and reveals himself only through certain people (prophets, sons, manifestations, messengers, mahdis). The latest revelation is not through Jesus or Mohammad or Krishna or Buddha, but by your 19th Century basically uneducated Iranian Preacher (your words, Trailblazer) Bhaollah. That is proselytization at work. The stink pervades the whole forum. Bahais are so predictable.

 

[Trailblazer]

There. I knew it will come up.

You were the one who brought it up, not me.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is proselytization at work

Your proselytization, not mine.

This thread is about --
If God existed, under these conditions, would there be any atheists?

Let's try to stay on topic shall we?

 

[74x12]

This is a follow up thread to my previous thread:

If God existed, would there be any atheists?

If God existed, and God is omnipotent (meaning that he could do anything not logically impossible), and if God is omniscient (meaning he would know how to get everyone to believe in him) and if God wants everyone to believe in him, and if God were to do what would be within his omnipotent power in order to prove to everyone that he exists, would there be any atheists?

Well there is nothing like when someone freely chooses to love you when you love them then that's a good thing. But if free choice exists then they can also choose to reject you. So it would make sense that some people would also choose not to believe in the existence of God.

 

[Trailblazer]

But if free choice exists then they can also choose to reject you.

True, even if they know you exist.