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If God existed would there be proof?

muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
- if YOU knew that someone was about to set off a bomb next to a daycare centre, would YOU try to get the kids out before it happened?

- is your God more or less moral than you are?
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Of course I would try to get the kids out.

Does it make G-d immoral because He allows us to be evil? No.
Would it be immoral if G-d decided to anihilate all human beings? No.

Morality applies to this worldly life.
Adultery, theft, murder etc. does not apply to G-d.
If G-d were evil, then you would be in big problem, wouldn't you say?

He is G-d. He knows that which He creates.
Each one of us has an eternal soul, and this life is like "a blink of an eye" compared to eternity.

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Not sure what you're getting at here.
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This life ends, but cosmic awareness does not.
G-d is the fairest of all judges.
Rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Kfox said:
But it is true. The fact that there is a large rock on my front lawn is an empirically proven fact. If you don't believe me, you can come to my house and experience it for yourself.
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Yeah, the history of truth and what knowledge is not something that is a part of Western culture. Okay, I will leave it here.
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Brian2 said:
But you seem to have a love/hate relationship with Baha'i
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I think they could be right, or they could be wrong. I don't agree with their concept of progressive revelation, because it depends on there having been an "original" message from the prophet/manifestation, that later got changed by his followers. And there is one important change that is claimed by the Baha'is... That Ishmael was swapped with Isaac in the story of Abraham taking his son to be sacrificed. I've asked Baha'is, when did this change happen? If all the copies of the story have Isaac. And those copies pre-date Islam and the Baha'i Faith, then what was the scribes' motive to make the change?

Then there is the supposed "fulfilled" prophecies. All of them are problematic. The best they have is that the year 1260 in the Islamic calendar is 1844. Trouble is... six different things, that all begin and end at different times, are made to start with the Hegira in 621AD and end in 1844. So, why would prophecies in Revelation have anything to do with Muhammad and the Hegira? Because Baha'is make it about Muhammad. And then they make about The Bab and Baha'u'llah. Which brings me to what I think is the worst "fulfilled" prophecy, the "Three Woes". They say the first "Woe" was Muhammad. The second, The Bab. And the third Baha'u'llah. In context, the "Woes" seem to be bad things, judgements by God that are all part of the tribulation period leading up to the return of Christ.

If none of that matters, and all religions have been corrupted by people and things added in, then the Baha'i Faith has some good things. It's time for all people to learn to live as one. But, ultimately, living as one includes living under Baha'i laws. None of the religions with a lot of "Divine" laws seems to have worked out so well. Even super-strict Christian sects, that put people in stocks, marked them as sinners, or even burned them at the stake didn't get their people to obey. So, if those things don't work. And if stoning them to death didn't work. Then what will Baha'is use to enforce "God's" laws that will be any better?

So, is the Baha'i Faith true? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. I can't see that the Promised One has come more than 150 years ago and the world is still going through the tribulations. And that is what I ask. Does Christ return before or after the tribulations? Does he come and fix things? Or does he come and die, and leaves the world still in turmoil, but leaves them a plan on how to fix things?
 
CG Didymus

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
if YOU knew that someone was about to set off a bomb next to a daycare centre, would YOU try to get the kids out before it happened?
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Who has the master plan of how all these events, good and bad, all come out in the end? If we asked God, "Is everything going as you planned?" What would be his answer? It has to be "Yes, this is how I had it all planned out. But don't worry there's a happy ending. Just keep believing."
 
K

Kfox

Well-Known Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Yeah, the history of truth and what knowledge is not something that is a part of Western culture. Okay, I will leave it here.
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I have no idea what you are talking about or what it has to do with the fact that some truths can be empirically verified as fact.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
lukethethird said:
Why there is something rather than nothing is a question that cannot be answered.
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It can't be answered without the existence of G-d, no. :)

Of course, one could ask why G-d has always existed .. and that is a lot easier to explain, imo.

It is not just G-d that is eternal, but each and every one of us.
Physical things come and go, but the spiritual cosmos does not.
 
lukethethird

lukethethird

unknown member
muhammad_isa said:
It can't be answered without the existence of G-d, no. :)

Of course, one could ask why G-d has always existed .. and that is a lot easier to explain, imo.

It is not just G-d that is eternal, but each and every one of us.
Physical things come and go, but the spiritual cosmos does not.
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That is all fantasy, it makes for somewhat interesting story telling but it has no place for explaining physics.
 
R

rational experiences

Veteran Member
A human exists first. Two humans.

You look up see O moon know it's round.

You see O sun.

So you say O earth is a God so are the other bodies O first.

So the theist Theo God thinker ologies says as human practices groups. Groups not natural family were called cults. Where egotists met Phi olosophers.

Says ..

O is the creator so draws a circle himself O gives it a number and says it created everything

Then he went about on earth trying to destroy it all. Named it a UFO war of the gods earth activated.

Knew he caused it. Actually science confessed that he designed created as a God machine designer the God cosmic UFO war.

The designer did it he said. Science Phi O not any natural mass owner.

So when you begin with very little O you get destroyed says man.
 
R

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Kfox said:
How do you know physical things come and go?
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Use terms in correct order is first.

God was the eternal. Now it is only god

Man says I was in the eternal. Now I am just a man.

If you were in the eternal it means always had and will exist

Men as humans always hadn't existed and also die.

Two topics that claim not the eternal.
 
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