If God exists why does He allow suffering?

[Koldo]

Add it in if you like. It isn't necessary to the basic understanding of the argument.

I mean you haven't shown the process through which you have assessed the probability. I can't add what you have yet to show.

 

[joe1776]

Because the question in the OP is related to all sufferings as I have explained before. If you had read about the problem of evil, you would know.

The question in the OP was:
If God exists why does He allow suffering?
I answered it to my satisfaction.

 

[joe1776]

You can never know my intentions unless I tell you what they are.

You told me.

So it is just a-okay for people to suffer with anxiety and depression just so other people can make some moral progress. Gotcha.That is very indirect and not a very good way to make moral progress because it only helps a small subset of society.

I'll let the Creator know you have complaints next time I speak with it.

 

[joe1776]

I mean you haven't shown the process through which you have assessed the probability. I can't add what you have yet to show.

I just gave you the process. See 311.

 

[Pete in Panama]

...here's a comment from one scientist:

Humans are born with a hard-wired morality: a sense of good and evil is bred in the bone. I know this claim might sound outlandish, but it's supported now by research in several laboratories --- Paul Bloom, Yale psychologist...

For one Paul Bloom, there will be hundreds of scientists who would not agree to this. The claim is out-right out-landish. By nature, we are all very selfish. We are coaxed to learn to live in a society peacefully right from our infancy.

Blind Faith --ya can't beat it! Of course there are observations we can personally make to confirm or undermine the study but why bother if we simply just believe we're right?

 

[rational experiences]

The question in the OP was:
If God exists why does He allow suffering?
I answered it to my satisfaction.

After ice age new spirits came out of the eternal manifested in same moment as a new bio nature

Science says it does not believe in spirit manifestation as holy God as from God O mass science the gas spirit conjured evil spirits.

A conscious spiritual awAre assessment that naturally is expressed in awareness first. Science thought by a human says God sealed does not hurt you. Science however does.

As we are spiritual first.

When I got prickling burnt gas fallout irradiated intense brain pain occured. I said as a spiritual healer now I know what my brother endured as a worse attack than my own. Crown of thorns explanation attack on body cell and blood.

Learning by experience is the storyteller actually in a present living human life.

O God earth sealed no evil spirit. God says the theist does not hurt you.

O God was once Satan O angel burning in hell. Healed by mother womb. Space conditions.

We state that subject a miracle.

Convert earth mass God O body releases evil spirit. Way too much documented proof to say it is not real.

Yet consciousness knowing evil is not real in their life wonder why satanic sciences is allowed to release it.

Why God hurts us by the will of man.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'll let the Creator know you have complaints next time I speak with it.

Please let me know when that will be so I can make a list.

 

[rational experiences]

You told me.

I'll let the Creator know you have complaints next time I speak with it.

In human life the creator is self man theorising for created invention.

Creation is created and owns all forms.

Science says I will learn.

I will pull apart a created body. Study and list what I observe then pretend I can put it back.

Yet he owns a destroyed body.

Natural already owned created presence naturally.

The greatest lie ever told was by the human scientist who quotes I learn by destroying when creation does not destroy its form held by one law space.

Holding form is due to spatial emptiness and pressure versus burning bodies creating more space.

Invent more space and the held body as a satanic act to take it back converting historic to a self consuming O mass law drops O mass into deep space pit.

When God travels back to become Satan. Forced upon it by a sun nuclear human controlled time shifting machine

A known satanic teaching to Satanists in the sciences.

 

[Koldo]

The question in the OP was:
If God exists why does He allow suffering?
I answered it to my satisfaction.

You have not properly addressed it as I have said. You have told me yourself that you have not addressed all kinds of suffering.
Whether you are satisfied, it is a completely different matter.

 

[Koldo]

I just gave you the process. See 311.

That's not the process.
Imagine you are scientist, would you consider what you wrote to be the proper explanation on how you have reached your conclusion about the likehood of something? Or would you have to actually go into details? It's the latter that I am expecting.

 

[Thief]

I was working amidst a rural community and was invited to dinner with one of my workmates and her husband. My colleague has just been diagnosed with cancer for the second time in her life. Its a tough time for her but she’s dealing with it really well. She had grown up Christian but in her twenties several people she knew died in short succession. This led her to conclude there was no God. “Why would God allow such suffering?” She feels as if she’s coping just fine now without believing in God and she certainly appears to be.

She asked me as a declared theist “If there is a God, why would He allow such suffering?” As an invited guest of a colleague with cancer I felt it best to empathise with her perspective and listen without offering a theistic view.

The belief that suffering rules out the existence of God is something I’ve heard from atheists and agnostics before. Although I’ve suffered in life from time to time, its never led me to question God’s existence. In fact I’ve just had a really tough month or so for which I’m grateful. Admittedly I’m not wrestling with a cancer diagnosis or the loss of a loved one.

So I’m curious as to how others view suffering and whether it affects their beliefs about God positively or negatively. If a Creator God exists why didn’t He do a better job of designing the universe? If we suffer, shouldn’t we see it as an opportunity to develop and attain new insights and strength?

I’ve put this in the general debates section to allow freedom of expression. I’m wanting to better understand why this is such a critical issue for so many people rather than debate. Thanks in advance for those who drop by to offer their sincere thoughts about how suffering affects their faith.

the formation of Man is intended to in turn....form unique spirit

chemistry has rules......ALL chemical reactions play out

I do not believe Man was ever intended to live forever

as for suffering
it comes with the chemistry

 

[Thief]

Part of our suffering is a consequence of Lucifers rebellion against God.

post as an op

something like.....It's All the Fault of the Devil

 

[rational experiences]

You have not properly addressed it as I have said. You have told me yourself that you have not addressed all kinds of suffering.
Whether you are satisfied, it is a completely different matter.

The theist.

Just a human.

Human owning natural life and support natural.

Every state existing.

Thinks.

Science his creation does not exist. As natural theist told me the first statement.

Science in a secondary want theories for inventive science.

Said as the teacher of science God O sealed is mass does no harm. As we own self first. Origin of self first us human highest form origin health. Origin human.

Statement God does not harm.

Then a satanist theist wants you to believe that the highest human form is a sacrificed destroyed body. Of a human life. In God harms you.

Coercion itself.

Saying O God one planet does no harm is a human science teaching.

Reasoning change and sacrifice was theism satanic destructive conversion of a sealed God mass. The God who does no harm.

Sink holes. Sin removal origin law of evil. Consumed mass.

God in the past O higher mass sealed form. O sun mass very large nuclear orbitals. Converted earth UFO effect. Separation law was the UFO invented dusts.

Advice how to separate firm from mass. The dusts history.
Gods separation the sun did it.

Not sensible to try to copy what a sun caused to earth. Yet it was chosen. The sun did it once. Stopped blasting itself cooled.

Science not sun owner released it from O God and it kept returning the law teaching. Man scientist caused it.

To address his reality. Machine owns controlled designed reaction inside it's body. Design reaction addresses interactive values letters by numbers.

Gods address by his secret science thesis for machine. A letter sealed exchanged. Science thought.

What earth does is only owned by the planet. Is not owned by science.

Ask a man word namer why his plan ET says plan of earth ET my own? As name giver? Why science feedback said I am ET meaning answer I caused it by my plan human.

Self possessed by his theme I am a God said he was alien and ET also. Yet he was born a baby human.

Ask why these statements human expressed are allowed to be preached? As the teaching you are an alien when every adult was once a human baby is proof science possesses human thinking irrationally.

 

[Aupmanyav]

In other words, if we humans didn't have the ability to FEEL the difference between right and wrong intuitively (via conscience), we wouldn't know anything about morality. There would be no basis for the moral rules and laws our much-beloved reasoning minds have created.

It is not that only humans can 'feel'. Even animals can. And the animals do have their own societies where they have to live according to the rules of their society. That is the basis. Societies, human or animal, require laws of behavior (read the later six Commandments out of ten, the first four are an imposition). If the members of the society do not follow the rules, among humans or animals, they are reprimanded, punished, banished or killed.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Blind Faith --ya can't beat it! Of course there are observations we can personally make to confirm or undermine the study but why bother if we simply just believe we're right?

Blind faith! Who has it? I am an atheist Hindu, who does not believe in existence of any God or Goddess. Perhaps you are talking about yourself, putting your faith in a 19 Century uneducated Iranian preacher, self-proclaimed as a manifestation of Allah, without any further proof other than his vision of a 'heavenly maiden'. An Iranian who sided with the enemies of his nation (the Russians and the Turkomans).

 

[joe1776]

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises. If you disagree, show me you are using a valid argument form.

If that ridiculous request is the best you can do, you're done. Hang it up.

 

[TheKyle]

If god...maybe that particular deity doesn't exist?

There tends to be an issue when a god claims to always be there while followers never see adequate signs of that god being around. That kind of disconnect is telling, of a desperate believer unfulfilled.

 

[joe1776]

It is not that only humans can 'feel'. Even animals can. And the animals do have their own societies where they have to live according to the rules of their society. That is the basis. Societies, human or animal, require laws of behavior (read the later six Commandments out of ten, the first four are an imposition). If the members of the society do not follow the rules, among humans or animals, they are reprimanded, punished, banished or killed.

It may be that what we humans call conscience, and think of as intuitive moral rules, are in fact, survival rules. What do you think?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yeah, I agree with that. Even a lion needs a society or otherwise it will be killed by a pack of hyenas. If it was alone, it may not be able to hunt. Predators hunt in packs, and the prey survive because of 'packs', even with the sacrifice of one or a few of the 'pack'. And for 'packs' (society), human or animals, there are rules.

 

[Koldo]

If that ridiculous request is the best you can do, you're done. Hang it up.

What is ridiculous about my request?
I merely want you to show that your argument has a valid form. Do you understand what I am asking for? I can go into further detail.