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If God is love

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
I believe this is blasphemy.

I believe that is absurd. I consider it highly intelligent.

I believe this is more likely the perspective of the viewer than reality.

I believe I consider myself moderately intelligent and not stupid and view it as God not taking credit for evil. I do not believe evil is a creation.

Stupidity abd use of logic is always a choice and personal beliefs are personal beliefs
 

kashmir

Well-Known Member
Stupidity abd use of logic is always a choice and personal beliefs are personal beliefs

Beliefs almost always come from personal experiences, in short, we tend to beliefs things that we know is true, as with my thread concept, it comes from personal knowing the world the way that it is.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Stupidity abd use of logic is always a choice and personal beliefs are personal beliefs

I believe I use logic and state things as beliefs because RF says I can't know anything. I found my beliefs upon facts and logic. If you wish to refute the logic be my guest.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Beliefs almost always come from personal experiences, in short, we tend to beliefs things that we know is true, as with my thread concept, it comes from personal knowing the world the way that it is.

Actually I learned colors and numbers letter and words from someone teaching them to me. I really would have been in bad shape if I had a perverse teacher that taught me that red is green and green is red.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Hello and welcome to my discussion and please do not disrespect others, thank you.

When we think about those leading down the wrong path, we tend to not blame God for their failures, correct?
What about those born with devastating terminal illnesses like cancer?
Millions die every year due to so many diseases, correct?

How is God love, may I ask?


How about this? Life is the education of God's children. So many times adversity points the direction of learning. If there were no disease, mankind would not bother to learn about the body, the chemistry, what makes physical life work and the different lessons around diseases.

What better incentive than having sick children? Most would fight doubly harder to find the cures.

There exists wonderful souls who volunteer to go through great adversity in order that others advance in their learning and understanding.

Perhaps it is an act of love from many. It is truly a gift. Just look how far mankind has advanced in medicine.

When one disease is cured, a new one will spring up to advance our lessons until all the lessons are learned.

A gift from those of the past: we no longer are bled or having leaches put on us as a cure. The bad appendix is no longer lethal. Antibiotics have saved countless lives. People's sacrifice will lead to a brighter future.
 

Satyamavejayanti

Well-Known Member
"kashmir, post: 4816431, member: 53249"

Namaste,

Hello and welcome to my discussion and please do not disrespect others, thank you.

Will try

When we think about those leading down the wrong path, we tend to not blame God for their failures, correct?

Yes many think this way. The blame game from my Hindu perspective would be considered Hinsa (harming), instead of blaming someone our Kartavya (required action) would be for help and support. But this is Manushya Kartavya (required action by Humans), as for any God's kartavya its up to the God.

What about those born with devastating terminal illnesses like cancer?
Millions die every year due to so many diseases, correct?
How is God love, may I ask?

Which God are we talking about?
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
Hello and welcome to my discussion and please do not disrespect others, thank you.

When we think about those leading down the wrong path, we tend to not blame God for their failures, correct?
What about those born with devastating terminal illnesses like cancer?
Millions die every year due to so many diseases, correct?

How is God love, may I ask?

Love is just one aspect of God (if it exists), along with knowledge, justice and beauty--which all combine as aspects of Truth. For God so loved the universe, that It gave every one of us free will. But we can't exercise our free will if we know God exists and is looking over our shoulder. We all suffer, some more than others, and some have greater attributes than others. After we go through a painful experience, the impact fades over a relatively short time; and in the big scheme of things, our lifetimes are but a blink. It's a small price to pay for free will.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
How about this? Life is the education of God's children. So many times adversity points the direction of learning. If there were no disease, mankind would not bother to learn about the body, the chemistry, what makes physical life work and the different lessons around diseases.
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Self defeating. If there were no diseases, there would be no point to learn about diseases.

Ciao

- viole
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Self defeating. If there were no diseases, there would be no point to learn about diseases.

Ciao

- viole

If there were no disease, there would be no point to learn about diseases, however one's knowledge of all the complexities would not exist. If the goal is having it made, then disease should not exist. On the other hand, if the goal is education, should not all the possibilities be available for study?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
That still does not answer my concerns that how can a loving God let millions suffer and die?

I have never heard a convincing answer to this question, and convoluted arguments about free-will don't cut it. What kind of God would have set up the conditions for events like the Holocaust, and then fail to intervene? Either God doesn't care, or God is powerless to intervene. and in either case, what use is He?
 

Ana.J

Active Member
Hello and welcome to my discussion and please do not disrespect others, thank you.

When we think about those leading down the wrong path, we tend to not blame God for their failures, correct?
What about those born with devastating terminal illnesses like cancer?
Millions die every year due to so many diseases, correct?

How is God love, may I ask?

1) Who said that there is right and wrong path? Those categories are too limited to describe the marvelous complexity of the cause-result laws of nature
2) This might be the experience a soul chose to get in this incarnation
3) Correct. But have you ever thought that we might blame the wrong person of these? Have you ever heard that most diseases are psychosomatic? Our mind is the source of suffering, not punishing God.
 

Zigzangle

Member
The Biblical accounts of the deeds carried out by the god featured therein are far from loving, more the acts of a psychopath!
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
If there were no disease, there would be no point to learn about diseases, however one's knowledge of all the complexities would not exist. If the goal is having it made, then disease should not exist. On the other hand, if the goal is education, should not all the possibilities be available for study?

Would you consider me moral if I were a genius biologist who created a virus that turns people into baby killing maniacs, with the sole purpose of letting people educate themselves and learn from it?

Ciao

- viole
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The Biblical accounts of the deeds carried out by the god featured therein are far from loving, more the acts of a psychopath!
Are you referring to the one the scriptures call... "the god of this world"? I would agree that this god is a psychopath or worse.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I am not agree with you..

Welcome to RF.

I don't believe we know much but one thing we have learned. Sometimes chemicals can be harmful and cause cancer. My grandfather died of pancreatic cancer and studies have since shown that a large consumption of diet drinks with saccharine can lead to pancreatic cancer. Also it has been found that water from toxic dump sites can cause cancer.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I have never heard a convincing answer to this question, and convoluted arguments about free-will don't cut it. What kind of God would have set up the conditions for events like the Holocaust, and then fail to intervene? Either God doesn't care, or God is powerless to intervene. and in either case, what use is He?

I believe God allows evil for a time so that those people will have an opportunity to be saved. Death gives those people multiple opportunities. When the Kingdom of God comes on earth as an earthly kingdom then there will be no involuntary death and no way to learn to be better. A person will be good because they won't know any evil. Those not in the kingdom won't have any way to change either since all they will have is their memories of evil.

I believe God is never happy when a people that should accept Him reject Him.

I believe neither is true. It is because God cares that He seeks people to accept Him. Just as with the Babylonian captivity God leaves his people a remnant and returns them to their land.

I don't believe using God is a good concept but I find Him helpful in avoiding sin.
 
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