Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
If a frog had a wings, he wouldn't bump his rear-end on the ground when he hopped.
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If God knew beforehand why did he go through with it?
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If a frog had a wings, he wouldn't bump his rear-end on the ground when he hopped.
Definately lacking for that poetry bone...Absolutely!
Thank you. Yes, we live in the womb, don't we. <slaps own face>
I mean conception.
Revelation: v21-23 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds."
So, what are you saying, that Gods punishment is measured, moderate and appropriate? Dont see too much mercy and kindness in the above.
No, actually. The fact of evil has no bearing whatsoever on the existence of a Supreme Being. Its not God whose existence is impossible - just theist ideology. The problem is caused by the need to make God conform to the human ideal.
When we're alive; yes.
Edit: On second thought, I'll change that to:
That we're alive; yes.
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My turn!
Let the question linger no longer.
Your question: "why did he allow sin to enter the world?"
Sin is a transgression.
A transgression of what?
The story goes that Adam and Eve disobeyed God, thereafter, sin is first recorded as a transgression.
The question really is, how did they know that they had transgressed?
Was it because of knowledge?
If one has no knowledge of any law, how can one know that one has transgressed a law?
It was a God designed effect that we should know the difference between good and evil, giving us the ability to choose between the two, which and when makes us as like god.
Being like as God, to know good and evil, then we become transgressors, for naturally, being a god (god like) we are of ourselves independent from God.
Being independent of God is to depend on our own fleshly desires which are in rebellion against God, therefore, from the get go, a transgressor.
Why? Because that is the only way that God could have sons and not robots!
God could have easily created robots to serve Him without choice.
But with us, we do have a choice to serve Him willingly, out of love.
That is the key, that we should love Him willingly rather than be forced to.
The environment we are placed in is designed to bring that out.
So, we can look at sin in a positive way, in that in recognizing what sin is, we can learn to refrain and do the right thing willingly,that is pleasing to God.
God did not leave us hopeless, for indeed He provided a way of escape. Blessings, AJ
I said God was wrathful.
'They behold the day of the Lord comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate.' Isaiah 13:5,11
And it seems we do need to be saved from God (see above).
As for our poor choices, Calvinist John Edwards says we willingly make the choice that God expects and that our willingness is just another aspect he controls, has foreseen and ordained.
Why does an existence without evil mean humans would be robots?
Why does God want us to love him? Why the need?
To know good and evil is what makes us like God.
A robot can not know the difference by choice.
And if humans were all good, what would there be to compare good with?
How can degree of good be added to good if there is nothing to compare it with?
The same reason there is darkness, there is light, one to contrast it from the other.
Your second question "Why does God want us to love him? Why the need?"
Sons are begotten, robots are made.
Begotten, have the same qualities as the begetter: to love and be loved.
You have children? Is it their choice to love you as you love them?
Blessings, AJ
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
It's just one straw man response after another, isn't it?
I can't help it if you don't understand the theology. That's really not my problem. But I'm going to continue to point out where your theological understanding gets in the way of your argument.
We do if we have been reincarnated. And somehow, this makes logical sense to you, but dying a horrific death and rising to new life (somewhat after the order of the phoenix) doesn't.
It isn't if you proof-text. But I know of several valid theological expressions of Xy where reincarnation is compatible.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
do you not understand that Revelation is not a literalistic text? It's a vision. It's a dream. It's full of symbolic imagery. Revelation almost didn't make the canon. Many theologians don't lend nearly as much weight to Revelation as they do the gospel accounts.
Only upon God as we understand God. That's your magic bullet with which you hope to kill Xy. That God cannot be who we say God is, because evil exists. You're beating a dead horse.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You love to proof-text don't you? Proof-texting makes for really bad theology. If you were to look at the overall Biblical story, you would find that God is merciful, kind, champions the cause of the weak, poor and disenfranchised. In fact, God always raises up the least deserving (in the eyes of the world) to receive God's blessing. God always saves the faithful remnant. since the Bible is written from the perspective of that remnant, that is good news. What you fail to do is to take under consideration a proper exegesis of the texts. The perspective of ancient Middle-Easterners is far different than ours. Their concept of God was narrower because their view of the world was narrower. You fail to take those things into consideration. And it taints your theological understanding.
Case in point.
First of all, I'm not a Calvinist. [edit] Neither is the majority of Christianity. I think Calvin was more than dead wrong. Second, John Edwards was the eloquent fool who wrote that very *special* piece of literature, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," a well-written, persuasive, but very misguided piece of sermonic drivel. I understand that the Nazis' propaganda was well-written and persuasive, too, but that didn't make it right.
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It's not for naught.
goodjewishboy
Shalom!
If you believe that God created everything, then God created everything. Evil is not something that comes from the outside. The line between good and evil lies within each and every one of us. It is in the choices we make that good or evil is brought into this world.
Mar 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Consider our make up, spirit and body.
The weaker of the two is the flesh.
The story of Adam and Eve represent both of those two things.
Adam represents the spirit breath of God, Eve represents the weaker vessel, the flesh.
The offspring of the two represents the fruits of the two either good or evil.
We're talking figuratively and spiritually here.
Blessings, AJ
Consider our make up, spirit and body.
The weaker of the two is the flesh.
The story of Adam and Eve represent both of those two things.
Adam represents the spirit breath of God, Eve represents the weaker vessel, the flesh.
The offspring of the two represents the fruits of the two either good or evil.
We're talking figuratively and spiritually here.
Blessings, AJ
