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If God was needed to create life what created God?

Panda

Panda

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One of the biggest arguments for God is that life and the Universe could not exist without intelligent design however I have always found this an extremely hypocritical view. If something is 100% required to make the universe why isn't something needed to make God? Why when asked where God came from is it always said he always existed? Isn't it just as possible that energy always existed and that the big bang was just the first time energy was converted into matter? Or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
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"God" is a symbol for the unknowable in things, beyond what is "made." To ask what made the thing we don't know beyond the things we know are made seems a reasonable question, except that the only answer can be, "I don't know."
 
Panda

Panda

42?
Premium Member
Willamena said:
"God" is a symbol for the unknowable in things, beyond what is "made." To ask what made the thing we don't know beyond the things we know are made is a reasonable question, except that the only answer can be, "I don't know."
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What about for those that believe God is a real thing not a construct of the mind.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God is not "a thing." God is Being. Only "things" are created. Being is not created. Being is Being.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
doppelgänger;983304 said:
What isn't "being"?
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Stuff that has no life -- no spirit. Only when God breathed into humanity's nostrils did humanity obrain "being." That's why we believe that, "In God we live and move and have our being."
 
Super Universe

Super Universe

Defender of God
Panda said:
One of the biggest arguments for God is that life and the Universe could not exist without intelligent design however I have always found this an extremely hypocritical view. If something is 100% required to make the universe why isn't something needed to make God? Why when asked where God came from is it always said he always existed? Isn't it just as possible that energy always existed and that the big bang was just the first time energy was converted into matter? Or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?
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In the beginning was the Law. This Law said "There can be no nothing." So a particle formed, then more particles formed in other areas of the void. Eventually these particles joined and to make a very long story short, a being evolved.

This being eventually learned everything there was to know, He knew of the Law, and He ascended to the central control room of the universe that existed. When this being entered the control room He found... nothing.

At that point He realized that He and the Law were One. The Law was simply God before God evolved. So, essentially, God and the Law are One and in this way God created Himself.
 
Panda

Panda

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Premium Member
sojourner said:
Stuff that has no life -- no spirit. Only when God breathed into humanity's nostrils did humanity obrain "being." That's why we believe that, "In God we live and move and have our being."
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Are you saying then we aren't created because we have being and are not things?
 
R

Random

Well-Known Member
Perhaps GOD is in a place without beginnings and ends, wherein exists such abstract laws that we humans would need a 64 or more letter alphabet to describe in comprehensible language the contours of His reality and being. Or maybe there is only the concept of GOD that we cannot recall creating. Or BOTH.
 
Todd

Todd

Rajun Cajun
Random said:
Perhaps GOD is in a place without beginnings and ends, wherein exists such abstract laws that we humans would need a 64 or more letter alphabet to describe in comprehensible language the contours of His reality and being. Or maybe there is only the concept of GOD that we cannot recall creating. Or BOTH.
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Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth. It's something we can't comprehend. We exist where everything has a beginning and an end. It's hard to comprehend something just existing eternally. However, IMO, where God exists, there is no beginning or end.
 
R

Random

Well-Known Member
Todd said:
Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth. It's something we can't comprehend. We exist where everything has a beginning and an end. It's hard to comprehend something just existing eternally. However, IMO, where God exists, there is no beginning or end.
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Thanks, Todd. Good to see you back on here. :)
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Panda said:
One of the biggest arguments for God is that life and the Universe could not exist without intelligent design however I have always found this an extremely hypocritical view. If something is 100% required to make the universe why isn't something needed to make God? Why when asked where God came from is it always said he always existed? Isn't it just as possible that energy always existed and that the big bang was just the first time energy was converted into matter? Or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?
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Just for fun, I'll throw my bizarre beliefs into the ring. First though, for the record:
1) I do not believe that God created life. I believe that life is a necessary and inevitable aspect of the living Godiverse.

2) I do not believe in ID, but evolution.

I believe that our Godiverse was/ is be(ing) Created by another Godiverse. I call that one Big Mama, and no, I don't know where it came from. :)

Let's see if I get anything interesting. *rubs hands*
 
Panda

Panda

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Premium Member
Storm said:
I believe that our Godiverse was/ is be(ing) Created by another Godiverse. I call that one Big Mama, and no, I don't know where it came from. :)
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Doesn't that just defer the problem to somewhere else? Instead of answering a question its like buying time in a way.

If you don't mind me asking could you explain where you beliefs come from? What leads you to these conclusions? If you answered this before mind directing me to the thread?
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Panda said:
Doesn't that just defer the problem to somewhere else? Instead of answering a question its like buying time in a way.
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In a way, but at least I admit it. :)

If you don't mind me asking could you explain where you beliefs come from? What leads you to these conclusions? If you answered this before mind directing me to the thread?
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Oy. My beliefs are my current best guess at questions I've been pondering since I was 10, influenced by countless sources, so if you're looking for a bibliography, I'm afraid I can't help you. There's just too much. Maybe if you refined the question?
 
Panda

Panda

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Premium Member
Storm said:
In a way, but at least I admit it. :)
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At least we can both agree that we don't have the answers, which is the first step to finding the answers :p

Storm said:
Oy. My beliefs are my current best guess at questions I've been pondering since I was 10, influenced by countless sources, so if you're looking for a bibliography, I'm afraid I can't help you. There's just too much. Maybe if you refined the question?
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Ok the Big Mama idea? Where does it come from?
 
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