If God was needed to create life what created God?

[TurkeyOnRye]

We do not live in a finite reality. Our universe IS infinite.Time is a delusion created by our memory of past events and our imagination of future events. We see time on a line, but if you use your imagination and concentrate hard enough, you can "feel" time disappear and realize the fact that the only time there has ever been is Now. This very moment.

Creation is another delusion of the mind. There is no creation. Only change. Nothing is ever lost or found. We cannot destroy matter, nor can we create it. But we can change it.

There is no creation and there is no creator. There is no time, there is no finite reality. We are, have and always will be. That, my friends, is the real harmonious, amalgamation of science and soul.

 

[Storm]

At least we can both agree that we don't have the answers, which is the first step to finding the answers

Plus, it's fun to speculate. Is Big Mama the only one of its kind, or one of many? Is there a Big Daddy, too? Does that not make the Big Bang the best pun in the English language?

Ok the Big Mama idea? Where does it come from?

It's complicated, but I'll try.

1) I believe that all consciousness is interlinked. Even individuated consciousness (like humans') retains awareness of the whole. On a subconscious level, we already know the answers to these questions, we're just on a journey to come full circle and fully, consciously, understand the answers.
A) To that end, our first and most powerful tool is myth. Not science or reason, but myth. It emerges from the depths of the collective consciousness, recording the things we've learned so far and guiding our instincts to ask the right questions. It's our way of remembering both where we've been and where we're going. And if there's one overarching theme of myth, it is that of creation.

2) The mythic theme of creation is reflected in the very nature of humanity. What separates us from the animals, what is the hallmark of sapience? The question is hotly debated, but to me, the answer is simple: the artistic impulse. Humans create things constantly, instinctively, without even thinking. We created for beauty, for communication, for survival, and for the pure, incomparable joy of creating. We sing, we write, we paint and sculpt and garden and invent. We imagine impossible wonders and set about building them into reality. And as we are aspects of God, we can possess no trait that God does not possess. Our creative impulse is necessarily a reflection of God's.

3) I believe God (our Godiverse) is literally immature, a child-Godiverse; and children tend to have parents.




And after all that, I'm going to completely undermine it by pointing out that this is not one of my strong beliefs. I find it only slightly more likely than the possibility, that our God is indeed the only Godiverse.

 

[Random]

We do not live in a finite reality. Our universe IS infinite.Time is a delusion created by our memory of past events and our imagination of future events. We see time on a line, but if you use your imagination and concentrate hard enough, you can "feel" time disappear and realize the fact that the only time there has ever been is Now. This very moment.

Creation is another delusion of the mind. There is no creation. Only change. Nothing is ever lost or found. We cannot destroy matter, nor can we create it. But we can change it.

There is no creation and there is no creator. There is no time, there is no finite reality. We are, have and always will be. That, my friends, is the real harmonious, amalgamation of science and soul.

Good post. :yes:

 

[Wandered Off]

There is no time, there is no finite reality. We are, have and always will be. That, my friends, is the real harmonious, amalgamation of science and soul.

This makes almost any discrete reference seem illusory, and I'm having trouble wrapping my so-called brain around it. How will an animal or person who dies always be? I know the organic matter is not destroyed, but this seems to come down to semantics about identity. I just want to understand how you mean that. Thanks!

 

[Popeyesays]

God is the Primal Cause of Creation, not part of xreation at all.

Regards,

Scott

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

This makes almost any discrete reference seem illusory, and I'm having trouble wrapping my so-called brain around it. How will an animal or person who dies always be? I know the organic matter is not destroyed, but this seems to come down to semantics about identity. I just want to understand how you mean that. Thanks!

We will always be because our fundamental make-up will continue on. Death is not the end. Essentially, death too is an illusion. The three illusions by which I base my philosophies, essentially, are creation, death and time. All three of which have any meaning because of change. Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Could you elaborate maybe?

 

[Wandered Off]

We will always be because our fundamental make-up will continue on.

By that do you refer to the atoms from which our bodies are structured?

Death is not the end. Essentially, death too is an illusion. The three illusions by which I base my philosophies, essentially, are creation, death and time. All three of which have any meaning because of change. Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Could you elaborate maybe?

If change is not an illusion, I don't understand how the concepts based upon it are illusions.

For an example, let's say that Bill Farnsworth of Appleville, Wisconsin died in 1878 with no living relatives. I made up the details, but let's go with them. Bill is no longer available to ask questions of or to act in any willful way as far as I can tell. In what way is his "death" an illusion? I understand that the atoms that made up his body are around in other forms. Let's say some of them went into worms, then into birds, while others may have been incorporated into the trees over his grave. Yeah, they're hanging around, but nothing that answers to the name Bill Farnsworth exists anymore. That entity formed from the unique combination of atoms is no more, as far as I know.

Is that unique combination an illusion also? Sorry that this is such a fundamental question, but I can be dense when it comes to this stuff.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

We created God, then God created life. We just have the whole sequence backwards.

 

[Nick Soapdish]

In my belief, God is infinite and eternal. Something that is infinite cannot be created; it has no measure. It simply is. A table has particular dimensions and shapes that must be formed. God does not have any particular limits or qualities that would require to be derived from some origin or creation.

The way I see it, reality has two possibilities: 1) Zero potential for existence (nothing exists); 2) Infinite potential for existence (God exists)

Anything in between would seem to be irrational because there would be no reason for that reality to have one particular "uncreated" form and not some other particular form.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

2) Infinite potential for existence (God exists)

What does "infinite potential for existence" mean?

 

[Nick Soapdish]

What does "infinite potential for existence" mean?

Omniscience and omnipotence. I believe God is the center of reality, an infinite being from which came all creation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You bastardize the language. Why do you suppose that's necessary.

 

[Nick Soapdish]

You bastardize the language. Why do you suppose that's necessary.

If you would clue me in to how I was bastardizing the language, I might be able to answer your question.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you would clue me in to how I was bastardizing the language, I might be able to answer your question.

You offer the preposterous false dichotomy ...

The way I see it, reality has two possibilities: 1) Zero potential for existence (nothing exists); 2) Infinite potential for existence (God exists).

... and then tell us that "infinite potential for existence" means "omniscience and omnipotence". This is simply incoherent babble.

 

[namguy]

One of the biggest arguments for God is that life and the Universe could not exist without intelligent design however I have always found this an extremely hypocritical view. If something is 100% required to make the universe why isn't something needed to make God? Why when asked where God came from is it always said he always existed? Isn't it just as possible that energy always existed and that the big bang was just the first time energy was converted into matter? Or am I getting the totally wrong end of the stick?

The Lord said to Moses tell the people, " I am..." God The Father is a Spirit, He manifested Himself in Jesus Christ His Son. Energy existed because of God not in spite of Him.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

God The Father is a Spirit, He manifested Himself in Jesus Christ His Son. Energy existed because of God not in spite of Him.

<yawn>vacuous preaching</yawn>

 

[waacman]

One of the biggest arguments for God is that life and the Universe could not exist without intelligent design however I have always found this an extremely hypocritical view. If something is 100% required to make the universe why isn't something needed to make God? Why when asked where God came from is it always said he always existed? Isn't it just as possible that energy always existed and that the big bang was just the first time energy was converted into matter?

To your last question, I would say the most simplistic answer to be yes. It is possible that matter could have always existed, but if you hold to that view than you would have to be willing to answer the question of: How could matter always have existed? (once again, same question, just in a different form) As to your other questions, I can't really answer them well. Most people automatically think that God is infinite, somehow above reality. I don't think we have any other options other than either matter is eternal or God is. If somebody does have another option I'd be interested in hearing them. Also, how is energy converted into matter? Is there a physics type of answer to this?

 

[Nick Soapdish]

To your last question, I would say the most simplistic answer to be yes. It is possible that matter could have always existed, but if you hold to that view than you would have to be willing to answer the question of: How could matter always have existed? (once again, same question, just in a different form) As to your other questions, I can't really answer them well. Most people automatically think that God is infinite, somehow above reality. I don't think we have any other options other than either matter is eternal or God is. If somebody does have another option I'd be interested in hearing them. Also, how is energy converted into matter? Is there a physics type of answer to this?

There are logical problems with matter always existing. Entropy would seem to insist that the Universe would be dead by now, if there was an infinite amount of time proceeding us. Of course, if there was an infinite amount of time proceeding us, how did we manage to get to when we are now?

 

[Nick Soapdish]

You offer the preposterous false dichotomy ...... and then tell us that "infinite potential for existence" means "omniscience and omnipotence". This is simply incoherent babble.

Easy for you to say.

To me it is quite simple -- a source of creation that was either mindless or limited in knowledge or power would not have infinite potential. Therefore the source of creation must be all-knowing and all-powerful to have infinite potential in creativity.

Perhaps this is incoherent babble to some, but to me it is the least absurd possibility for the origin of our world. The most absurd to me, of course, is a nature that created itself.

 

[moegypt]

human mind has a limit...

57|3|He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things.