If god wasnt

[paarsurrey]

If god wasn't

There is no valid reason for this supposition, it is like believing one wasn't born of father and mother or the both.

Regards

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Im just curious if you would believe in a nice existant god if he exist

A "nice existent god" is incompatible with the world we see around us. That's the whole point of the Problem of Evil.

and why would you believe (if you would) compared to believing something else that has the same qualities just not supernatural in nature?

Also does the supernatural warrent more attention for the exact same nice traits of something that isnt?

I reject the whole concept of "the supernatural." If I believe something exists, I consider it natural.

 

[Audie]

[QUOTE="Unveiled Artist, post: 5713095, member: 55631" if people who see god negatively would follow if he was positive.
[/QUOTE]

That would be for some really kind of stupid people,
dont you think so?

I see "god" as a character in a book, specifically a semi-
historical novel with a bunch of magic mixed in.

As a character, this "god' is a capricious, arbitrary, and
nasty one.

IF the bible had him as a great all around guy, I still
would see him as a character in a novel.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A "nice existent god" is incompatible with the world we see around us.
That's the whole point of the Problem of Evil.

How not? Its a hypothetical question not one based on reality; its not personal. Unless you believe god is naturally evil in real life, if god was written to be nice, how is that incompatiable to the world anymore than an evil god as many claim it to be?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

[QUOTE="Unveiled Artist, post: 5713095, member: 55631" if people who see god negatively would follow if he was positive.

That would be for some really kind of stupid people,
dont you think so?

I see "god" as a character in a book, specifically a semi-
historical novel with a bunch of magic mixed in.

As a character, this "god' is a capricious, arbitrary, and
nasty one.

IF the bible had him as a great all around guy, I still
would see him as a character in a novel.[/QUOTE]

I dont know what a god is; so, it sounds more you have a grudge on a particular concept of god Im not familiar with. If your concepto f god changed to nice one, would your answer be different. How would your idea of this god be opposite of how you defined it in this post?

Im speaking of god as written in a book rather than having any opinion of him as if he exists in real life.

 

[`mud]

hey Artist,
In real life ?
How does one do that ?
Other than by imagination ?

 

[Audie]

I dont know what a god is; so, it sounds more you have a grudge on a particular concept of god Im not familiar with. If your concepto f god changed to nice one, would your answer be different. How would your idea of this god be opposite of how you defined it in this post?

Im speaking of god as written in a book rather than having any opinion of him as if he exists in real life.

Grudge? Against a fictional character in a book?
Surely you are joking.

And, your question about whether one would believe
in a god if it were (not "was" ) a nice one?

That is an insult to the intelligence of a five yr old

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Grudge? Against a fictional character in a book?
Surely you are joking.

And, your question about whether one would believe
in a god if it were (not "was" ) a nice one?

That is an insult to the intelligence of a five yr old

I dont have that view. Thats like my saying I cant hypothetically think Cinderella to be a bad character when I know according to the story in real life she is a good character.

A five or ten year old can use their imagination. Writers do it all the time.

So whats the issue???

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How not? Its a hypothetical question not one based on reality; its not personal. Unless you believe god is naturally evil in real life, if god was written to be nice, how is that incompatiable to the world anymore than an evil god as many claim it to be?

- Do you agree that suffering exists?
- Do you agree that it's evil to inflict needless suffering?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

- Do you agree that suffering exists?
- Do you agree that it's evil to inflict needless suffering?

I do not know any god that I would have such a strong opinion emotional about it, like that. I know the word is hot for many (of you) people, but its not meant to be that way. So, I dont see how that makes sense to a question not stated as a fact.

If

there were evidence for god (simple minded person)
God is not like the bible
is love and made present in his creation and did everything for you

Would you believe in him?

Yes? Why?

No? Why not?

Answering as if the god of the bible is NOT what you guys describe him.

I just want to see something.

Extra question

How does your reply have anything to do with my OP?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How does your reply have anything to do with my OP?

The easiest way to explain would be if you moved the conversation along by answering my questions, but since you decided to ignore them:

I'm trying to get at the Problem of Evil. Here's the way Epicurus put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

IOW, if the God in your OP is omnipotent, then he's either not "nice" or he doesn't exist.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If

there were evidence for god (simple minded person)
God is not like the bible
is love and made present in his creation and did everything for you

Would you believe in him?

Yes? Why?

No? Why not?

If there was compelling evidence for God, I would believe in him. I might not like him or worship him, but I would acknowledge that he exists.

The part about God being "love" and this love "being made present in his creation" is not consistent with the reality we live in.

 

[Audie]

I dont have that view. Thats like my saying I cant hypothetically think Cinderella to be a bad character when I know according to the story in real life she is a good character.

A five or ten year old can use their imagination. Writers do it all the time.

So whats the issue???

The issue seems to be that we are no where
near on the same topic, so, no issue. No topic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Youre making this extremely complicated.

The easiest way to explain would be if you moved the conversation along by answering my questions, but since you decided to ignore them:

Cause your questions have motives behind them without getting to the point first; I dont care for empty questions. Usually, you say your point, relate it to the reply or OP, and ask questions relating as not to throw yuor reader off on some unimportant tangent .

I'm trying to get at the Problem of Evil. Here's the way Epicurus put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Okay....My question is a what IF not a discussion of evil. I have no concept of god; so, the only thing I fall back on is the christian god. I have no ill experience nor opinion about him. So, what are you getting at?

IOW, if the God in your OP is omnipotent, then he's either not "nice" or he doesn't exist.

Yes. I know. Thats why I asked as a hypothetical not a statement of fact.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If there was compelling evidence for God, I would believe in him. I might not like him or worship him, but I would acknowledge that he exists.

The part about God being "love" and this love "being made present in his creation" is not consistent with the reality we live in.

Thanks. I was just curious.

Why are you (guys) so serious about god-questions? I understand believers, but....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The issue seems to be that we are no where
near on the same topic, so, no issue. No topic.

Yes. Im going by the OP (had to reread it). Anything else about god, I depend on the person I speak with. I notice people who dont believe on RF have a lot of emotions about god as the people who do believe. But the latter arent as fustrating to speak with. Without sugar coating.

 

[Audie]

Yes. Im going by the OP (had to reread it). Anything else about god, I depend on the person I speak with. I notice people who dont believe on RF have a lot of emotions about god as the people who do believe. But the latter arent as fustrating to speak with. Without sugar coating.

You notice your own feelings and ideas.

You are not noticing how atheists feel or think.

There is no way for me to have any emotion whatever
about "god" any more than about Batboy, Bigfoot,
or any other fictional character.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You notice your own feelings and ideas.

You are not noticing how atheists feel or think.

There is no way for me to have any emotion whatever
about "god" any more than about Batboy, Bigfoot,
or any other fictional character.

Now wonder!

I am an athiest. Thats why I can ask questions like this. Im an artist and poet, so imagination and hypotheticals and analogies come easy to me. I also dont mistake them for reality; and, I dont get annoyed because I know they arent fact. I just know which concepts to entertain and which I can say -that was weird- and keep on pushin.

Believers cant answer the question when I switch it to what if god was evil. Its interesting to see both of you guys reaction. But the question was out of curiousity. Both of you guys seem to take offense.

Weird but if the question is illogical ask for clarification rather than attack the logic of something not meant to be a fact nor statement of it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There is no way for me to have any emotion whatever
about "god" any more than about Batboy, Bigfoot,
or any other fictional character.

Course we can. I am reading a book right now called The Secret History by Donna Tartt. Im almost finished. It got kinda emotional when the kids where at the funeral of someone they knew. The author does a god job of writing her characters.

I can do what-ifs with the main character. What if he was a mean boy who jumped around yelling at people or something I can imagine that. Doesnt need to be real to have some sort of emotion.

Shrugs. Atheists arent exempt from hypotheticals. Unless the topic is uncomfortable. I cant do it with Saras Key because its a holocaust book, fictional, but to imagine things from that book-I have nightmares of that stuff.

God, no I dont. But the idea of god isnt part of my reality. Never was raised in it. Never was in a christian environment until five years ago as an adult. RF is the only place I got more exposure to christian thinking. So. I dont share a lot of atheists here views when it comes to god.

Edit.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Thanks. I was just curious.

Why are you (guys) so serious about god-questions? I understand believers, but....

If you have to know: I’m trying to find a way to avoid contempt for religion and theism in general.