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If Jesus Is Coming Back,as He Said .......?

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
I consider the actual words of Christ in the Gospels to be Revelation. What the Apostles had to say about those words is commentary. Perhpas it would help to define commentary:
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Pronunciation: 'kä-m&n-"ter-E, -"te-rE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -tar·ies
1 a : an explanatory treatise -- usually used in plural b : a record of events usually written by a participant -- usually used in plural
2 a : a systematic series of explanations or interpretations (as of a writing) b : [SIZE=-1]COMMENT [/SIZE]2
3 a : something that serves for illustration or explanation <the dark, airless apartments and sunless factories...are a sad commentary upon our civilization -- H. A. Overstreet> b : an expression of opinion

The words of Jesus are on the other hand Utterance and Revelation.
"I lay asleep on the bed of self when lo, Thou didst waken me with the divine accents of Thy voice, and didst unveil to me Thy beauty, and didst enable me to listen to Thine utterances, and to recognize Thy Self, and to speak forth Thy praise, and to extol Thy virtues, and to be steadfast in Thy love."
(Baha'u'llah, Prayers and Meditations by Baha'u'llah, p. 20)

Jesus uttered the words God bade Him utter. The same cannot be said of the Disciples of Christ. They spoke from love of Christ and the desire to commemorate His teachings, but they are not the pure conduit through which God speaks to mankind.

"CXXII. Man is the supreme Talisman. Lack of a proper education hath, however, deprived him of that which he doth inherently possess. Through a word 260 proceeding out of the mouth of God he was called into being; by one word more he was guided to recognize the Source of his education; by yet another word his station and destiny were safeguarded. The Great Being saith: Regard man as a mine rich in gems of inestimable value. Education can, alone, cause it to reveal its treasures, and enable mankind to benefit therefrom. If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of God's holy Will, have revealed, he would readily recognize that their purpose is that all men shall be regarded as one soul, so that the seal bearing the words "The Kingdom shall be God's" may be stamped on every heart, and the light of Divine bounty, of grace, and mercy may envelop all mankind. The one true God, exalted be His glory, hath wished nothing for Himself. The allegiance of mankind profiteth Him not, neither doth its perversity harm Him. The Bird of the Realm of Utterance voiceth continually this call: "All things have I willed for thee, and thee, too, for thine own sake." If the learned and worldly-wise men of this age were to allow mankind to inhale the fragrance of fellowship and love, every understanding heart would apprehend the meaning of true liberty, and discover the secret of undisturbed peace and absolute composure. Were the earth to attain this station and be illumined with its light it could then be truly said of it: "Thou shall see in it no hollows or rising hills." " 261
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 259)
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
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=Popeyesays]I consider the actual words of Christ in the Gospels to be Revelation. What the Apostles had to say about those words is commentary.
Commentary only,I beg to differ,if that were the case, the bible and words and acts of Christ would be reduced to mere stories only.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
1Cr 2:12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2Cr 5:5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
1Cr 2:14 "But the natural man( the man with the spirit of God residing within) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned".

Please read the context in 1 Cor 2

There was a demonstration of power given to these men to carry out the acts of God not only proclaim the words of Christ.
It is only by the Holy Spirit can you comprehend ,understand the deep things of God

Jesus to his diciples talks about the extremely religious, highly educated men
Matt 13:11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I *should heal them.'*
16But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
That is the tradgedy and misrepresentation of the scriptures today,those who are outside the Christian circle try to spin the the biblical scriptures according to their intellectual understanding
Perhaps Popeyesays, your interpretation of the apostles/disciples and their role may be relative to you, but as far as their actual role is concerned according to scripture ,the apostles and disciples (one of the same) were sent to Go forth into all the world and proclaim the gospel,being led by the Spirit,performing signs and wonders as Jesus says,
Jhn 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Jesus says in John 16 that the spirit of truth will come and take from what is mine and make it known to you.
These men were called choosen and commissioned to walk in power and authority and to do signs and wonders among the people as evidenced below:
Mar 16:17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Jesus sent them out to to mighty great works
Luk 10:19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Peter raised people from the grave
Act 9:40But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning [him] to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up.
Paul does miracles
Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

The same cannot be said of the Disciples of Christ. They spoke from love of Christ and the desire to commemorate His teachings, but they are not the pure conduit through which God speaks to mankind.
Popeye,these men commemorated not only his teachings they carreid it out in deeds and mighty signs and wonders.
Jhn 14:12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

God spoke through these men and all who wrote the scriptures
Luk 24:44And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Where if you don't mind me asking does your relationship start and end with Jesus.
I mean are you just commenting from your opinion,someone tells you these things,because they are totally contray to sound doctrine and severely misconstrude.

I have to admit it is very difficult to get this one point or essence of Christianity across to those who are outside the faith that God does not reveal himself through natural means being intellect,reasoning or knowledge of facts,but only through the revealtion of the Holy Spirit

This is the state of the spiritually unregenerate person,before trusting Christ
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

This is those who have trusted Christ and have the Holy Spirit giving them revelation
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

The irony of this is that He is available to all who will trust Jesus as Lord.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
roli said:
Perhaps Popeyesays, your interpretation of the apostles/disciples and their role may be relative to you, but as far as their actual role is concerned according to scripture ,the apostles and disciples (one of the same) were sent to Go forth into all the world and proclaim the gospel,being led by the Spirit,performing signs and wonders as Jesus says,

This is a little bit off topic, but Roli, did you ever play the game "telephone" as a kid?

And, Christ had more disciples than just the 12 apostles. Those 12 were just the most important and highly favored ones.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Roli,

First Corinthians is commentary. Paul is attempting to explain the Spirit as best the Spirit guides him. But the Spirit does not guide Him like the Spirit guided Christ, Himself.

If I don't accept the Epistles as revelatory, quoting the Epistles to prove them revelatory won't do you any good.

Paul never saw or heard Jesus in the flesh. The only proof offered of the validity of Paul's vision is Paul himself. Therefore I consider Paul's Epistles to be commentary. I am more likely to regard Peter's Epistles as authoritative.

Regards,
Scott
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
MaddLlama said:
Did he forget his wallet?

No, when the Spirit returned Muhammad offered His own person and the Qur'an as proof.

When the Bab appeared and claimed a new revelation, His proof was His own person, and the Bayan. He also said His revelation would last but nineteen years.

When, Baha`u'llah appeared and claimed the fulfillment of the Bab's revelation, His proof was His person and the Iqan.

The best proof of the 'word' is the 'word' Itself.

Regards,
Scott
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Popeyesays said:
First Corinthians is commentary. Paul is attempting to explain the Spirit as best the Spirit guides him. But the Spirit does not guide Him like the Spirit guided Christ, Himself.
Who is Jesus speaking to here , Jesus is surely not talking to himself,he is speaking to all born again believers
Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you
Here in the above verses Jesus is releasing the spirit to take from Jesus and reveal it to Paul and all who trust Jesus

There is only one spirit and the world only see's surface deep into the things of God
Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Paul never was imparted to by man ,but the Spirit
Gal 1:12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ


If I don't accept the Epistles as revelatory, quoting the Epistles to prove them revelatory won't do you any good.
I agree, my objective is not to force you share my views ,how futile, but to share the truth of what is behind the whole Christian movement that being the power and presence of the Holy Spirit to change man,convict them of sin and to reveal the truth

Paul never saw or heard Jesus in the flesh. The only proof offered of the validity of Paul's vision is Paul himself. Therefore I consider Paul's Epistles to be commentary. I am more likely to regard Peter's Epistles as authoritative.

He never saw or heard Jesus in the flesh but on that road to damacus He surely identified Jesus
If that were the case that Paul's visions were in and of himself then I would change faiths pretty fast,it would just be another man centred religion.
But Scott there is so much more going on behind the scenes of what transpired on that Demascus road where Paul is cconcerned regarding the spirit and the power of God and how Paul was transformed.
I suppose you are entitled to your views but it is not according to scripture and the indwelling presence and power of the Holy Spirit and His role in the apostles ,disciples and all saints is not acurately portrayed here from your perspective anyways.
But hey that is ok,I am only sharing what I believe is the truth of the word according to the same Spirit that was upon Jesus,that same Spirit rests upon me as a borna again believer
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you

Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

These are references to PERSONS, to individuals God sends after Jesus.

They are in fact references to Muhammad, the Bab, Baha`u'llah

"I agree, my objective is not to force you share my views ,how futile, but to share the truth of what is behind the whole Christian movement that being the power and presence of the Holy Spirit to change man,convict them of sin and to reveal the truth"

What is behind the Christian movement? God is. The same God behind the Judaic movement, the Islamic movement, the Zarathustran movement, the Krishna movement, the Baha`i movement. The Baha`i movement is the fulfillment of Christ's promise to return. But Baha`u'llah will not be the LAST Messenger, there never will be a last.

"Consider the Dispensation of Jesus Christ. Behold, how all the learned men of that generation, though eagerly anticipating the coming of the Promised One, have nevertheless denied Him. Both Annas, the most learned among the divines of His day, and Caiaphas, the high priest, denounced Him and pronounced the sentence of His death.
In like manner, when Muhammad, the Prophet of God -- may all men be a sacrifice unto Him -- appeared, the learned men of Mecca and Medina arose, in the early days of His Revelation, against Him and rejected His Message, while they who were destitute of all learning recognized and embraced His Faith. Ponder a while. Consider how Balal, the Ethiopian, unlettered though he was, ascended into the heaven of faith and certitude, whilst Abdu'llah Ubayy, a leader among the learned, maliciously strove to oppose Him. Behold, how a mere shepherd was so 84 carried away by the ecstasy of the words of God that he was able to gain admittance into the habitation of his Best-Beloved, and was united to Him Who is the Lord of Mankind, whilst they who prided themselves on their knowledge and wisdom strayed far from His path and remained deprived of His grace. For this reason He hath written: "He that is exalted among you shall be abased, and he that is abased shall be exalted." References to this theme are to be found in most of the heavenly Books, as well as in the sayings of the Prophets and Messengers of God.
Verily I say, such is the greatness of this Cause that the father flieth from his son, and the son flieth from his father. Call ye to mind the story of Noah and Canaan. God grant that, in these days of heavenly delight, ye may not deprive yourselves of the sweet savors of the All-Glorious God, and may partake, in this spiritual Springtime, of the outpourings of His grace. Arise in the name of Him Who is the Object of all knowledge, and, with absolute detachment from the learning of men, lift up your voices and proclaim His Cause."
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 83)

Regards,
Scott

 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I once read a sci-fi story (or read about the story, I can't remember!) about Jesus coming back in the form of a giant praying mantis. :)

Sorry, had to...
 

Simon Gnosis

Active Member
roli said:
If Jesus Is Coming Back as He said, should'nt the inhabitants of the World Be Concerned ??????

I mean if the scriptures are true and we are at the period in history where Jesus will come back to take those who trusted Him as Lord and Savior,those who are born again,spirit filled believers,should'nt this be cause for concern.

...... or will the world go on just as it always has, the bible says,as it was in the days of Noah,so will it be when Jesus returns, and we are definitiely here or have already surpassed Noah's days.

Jesus is dead.

Concerned?

Couldnt care less...more worried about catching an incurable disease or one of my loved ones getting run over or something...Jesus's return is on the same level of concern for me as who will win the next superbowl, another totally irrelevant concern.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Simon Gnosis said:
Jesus is dead.

Concerned?

Couldnt care less...more worried about catching an incurable disease or one of my loved ones getting run over or something...Jesus's return is on the same level of concern for me as who will win the next superbowl, another totally irrelevant concern.
So it sounds as if you believe He is coming back ,just not concerned

I mean what if He did rise from the grave and is alive like he says.
What if he conquered death and made away for us to live eternally with Him.
And he will judge us for every thing we have done, thought or said.
 

roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
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quote=Popeyesays]Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you

Jhn 14:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

These are references to PERSONS, to individuals God sends after Jesus.
Popeye,I appreciate your attempt to define these verses and you can understand them as you wish ,but I must correct you here and explain that the Holy Spirit is what Jesus is referring to in these scriptures.
You must understand that He is not referring to a man,or a prophet,or disciple but the manifest prescence and power of God brought on by the working of the Holy Spirit .
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This verse can't be any clearer as to who the comforter is,"Holy Spirit

I mean anyone who claims to read and study the scriptures will quickly identify that the work of the Holy Spirit and His role in the death and resurrection of Christ and in the believers heart is interwoven throughtout the scriptures.
The essence of the Christians conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit,without it we have nothing but a nice religion.
That is the great deception among the other religions who think there God is the same as the Christian God or Judeo God.

Acts talks about Jesus baptizing with the Holy Ghost,Paul talks in 1 Cor 2 that the spirit has been given which is from God
John talks about it in John and jesus as well
Popeye do a word study on the spirit of God ,Holy Spirit,Holy Ghost,spirit
http://www.blueletterbible.org/

They are in fact references to Muhammad, the Bab, Baha`u'llah
As you may be convinced on your thinking as I presume regarding this quote,but the scriptures do not allude to any of the above mentioned ,I guess that depends on your bible and your beliefs and where you get your research.

What is behind the Christian movement? God is. The same God behind the Judaic movement, the Islamic movement, the Zarathustran movement, the Krishna movement, the Baha`i movement. The Baha`i movement is the fulfillment of Christ's promise to return. But Baha`u'llah will not be the LAST Messenger, there never will be a last.

As above it is the moving of the Holy Spirit upon the believer that is the essence Christianity
John 16:8 And when He(holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
We are awash in a sea of the Holy Spirit, Roli. But there comes the Voice of God but once in a great while. Baha`u'llah patiently explains the conundrum you allude to:

"And in the fourth Gospel, according to John, it is recorded: "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness."9 And elsewhere He saith: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."10 And: "But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you..."11 And yet again: "Nevertheless I tell 10 you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."12 And: "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come."13
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Such is the text of the verses revealed in the past. By Him besides Whom there is none other God, I have chosen to be brief, for were I to recount all the words that have been sent down unto the Prophets of God from the realm of His supernal glory and the kingdom of His sovereign might, all the pages and tablets of the world would not suffice to exhaust My theme. References similar to those mentioned, nay even more sublime and exalted, have been made in all the Books and Scriptures of old. Should it be My wish to recount all that hath been revealed in the past, I would most certainly be able to do so by virtue of that which God hath bestowed upon Me of the wonders of His knowledge and power. I have, however, contented Myself with that which was mentioned, lest thou become wearied in thy journey or feel inclined to turn 11 back, or lest thou be overtaken by sadness and sorrow and overcome with despondency, trouble and fatigue.
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Be fair in thy judgement and reflect upon these exalted utterances. Inquire, then, of those who lay claim to knowledge without a proof or testimony from God, and who remain heedless of these days wherein the Orb of knowledge and wisdom hath dawned above the horizon of Divinity, rendering unto each his due and assigning unto all their rank and measure, as to what they can say concerning these allusions. Verily, their meaning hath bewildered the minds of men, and that which they conceal of the consummate wisdom and latent knowledge of God even the most sanctified souls have been powerless to uncover."
(Baha'u'llah, Gems of Divine Mysteries, p. 9)

To speak as God moves Him requires lips, a tongue, and a human body. Therefore the Comforter and the Spirit, while evidence of the Holy Spirit, must be human vessels. Therefore They cannot be disembodied Spirit.

Regards,
Scott
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
If Jesus Is Coming Back as He said, should'nt the inhabitants of the World Be Concerned ??????

I mean if the scriptures are true and we are at the period in history where Jesus will come back to take those who trusted Him as Lord and Savior,those who are born again,spirit filled believers,should'nt this be cause for concern.

...... or will the world go on just as it always has, the bible says,as it was in the days of Noah,so will it be when Jesus returns, and we are definitiely here or have already surpassed Noah's days.

He said all that stuff would come to pass before his generation had passed. It's apparent we've either been stood up, or the whole thing was a bluff.
 

Kolibri

Well-Known Member
He said all that stuff would come to pass before his generation had passed. It's apparent we've either been stood up, or the whole thing was a bluff.

Another necromancer! This thread has been dead for a long time. But seriously....

The question Jesus was asked at Matthew 24:3 has a dual fulfillment. The conclusion of the Jewish system of things was upon that arrangement for temple worship in Jerusalem. In less than 40 years that system was utterly destroyed. Those of Christ's disciples that he was responding to in Matthew chapters 24 and 25 had individuals still alive to witness Jerusalem's destruction from a distance...since they obeyed and fled immediately when the Roman armies pulled back after attacking in 66 C.E. Likewise during the parousia of the Christ at the end of this world's system of things, there would be witnessed by a 'generation' of Christ's anointed brothers (the class of people he was responding to) all the things prophesied. The lives of those that saw the end of the 'Gentile times' would overlap the lives of others from this group of people that experience a gathering to heaven these remaining ones in an instant of time. (1 Cor 15:50-53) Then these faithful people, no longer human, will act in concert with Jesus to dismantle the current system and protect those faithful still on this earth. (Re 17:14).
 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
I believe the Christ is always here, its up to us to except it, after all its within each one of us. Sadly most see the second coming as future event, and sadly they miss out on receiving the Christ.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I wasn't aware that Jesus left. Doesn't it state in the Bible that Jesus has the all the power of the heavens and earth?

Anyways, Eshua never left Xians; unbelievers, yeah, that might be another story.
 
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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
He said all that stuff would come to pass before his generation had passed. It's apparent we've either been stood up, or the whole thing was a bluff.
The Messianic fulfillment was accomplished. That's one of the reasons why Eshua is called, ''the Messiah''. The second coming, or someone else, is a different prophecy.
 

raph

Member
As you may be convinced on your thinking as I presume regarding this quote,but the scriptures do not allude to any of the above mentioned ,I guess that depends on your bible and your beliefs and where you get your research.

I think, the Spirit of truth doesn't come only once. The Spirit of Truth has come to many people.

I think the question should be, why the Son of Man who comes in the Glory of the Father, cannot be considered a Spirit of truth. Or the Spirit who tought Muhammad the Quran can't be considered a Spirit of Truth either. Both have fullfilled the requirenments: gloryfy Jesus and lead humanity into all truth.

I think the Son of Man who comes in Glory of the Father, is the man who was called "Glory of God". Jesus prophecy couldn't be clearer, he almost literally said: "The son of man will come in Bahaullah". And I believe that he is the Spirit of Truth, maybe not the first appearance of it, but noone said, that this Spirit will come only once. And Bahaullah didnt say that he was the first appearance of the Spirit of Truth. (I think, I read only 1% of his writings)
 
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