If Jesus is God why doesn't the Bible say so?

[SethZaddik]

Truth is you cannot prove what I say to be inaccurate because the only thing you have on your part is the Koran and you know the Jews and Christians have never and never will accept it as anything but not scripture and not from God.

I can see the truth and so many here can see that truth. But the greatest truth is that you cannot argue against the word of God which God himself and his true Prophets have ordained to be the truth.

The Prophet Moses taught that God would raise them up a Prophet from amongst there own people. The descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That God himself would put his words in that Prophets mouth and everyone had to heed what that Prophet (Messiah) said.
Jesus Christ, is the only Prophet to have ever fitted all those things. Born in Bethlehem and a descendant of King David. A descendant born of the Spirit and who brought Gods final truth according to the teachings of the Prophets and the Law.

When you look at inaccuracies we see that you alone have inaccuracies because you have the wrong god and the wrong book - according to Gods teachings, the Prophets and the Jews and Christians.

Whilst the true Word of God and YHWH are here you never will be able to make anyone believe your inaccuracies. Because according to the Bible the first foundation has to be in Gods own truth.

You don't have any truth you just argue without any evidence. YHWH always wins but then he knows his own teachings and he knows those who really belong to him. They love their neighbour and they love God.This is in the teachings of the bible.

The truth is the Bible doesn't say Jesus p is God. I have proven that.

I have proven he denied it himself.

I don't NEED to disprove anything you say. Anyone can SAY anything about anything but can't deny the words of the Bible say what they do.

Even if they contradict Xtian theology it is because it was made up by men and not based on the Bible.

No matter how hard you try to deny it.

 

[SethZaddik]

Truth is you cannot prove what I say to be inaccurate because the only thing you have on your part is the Koran and you know the Jews and Christians have never and never will accept it as anything but not scripture and not from God.

I can see the truth and so many here can see that truth. But the greatest truth is that you cannot argue against the word of God which God himself and his true Prophets have ordained to be the truth.

The Prophet Moses taught that God would raise them up a Prophet from amongst there own people. The descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That God himself would put his words in that Prophets mouth and everyone had to heed what that Prophet (Messiah) said.
Jesus Christ, is the only Prophet to have ever fitted all those things. Born in Bethlehem and a descendant of King David. A descendant born of the Spirit and who brought Gods final truth according to the teachings of the Prophets and the Law.

When you look at inaccuracies we see that you alone have inaccuracies because you have the wrong god and the wrong book - according to Gods teachings, the Prophets and the Jews and Christians.

Whilst the true Word of God and YHWH are here you never will be able to make anyone believe your inaccuracies. Because according to the Bible the first foundation has to be in Gods own truth.

You don't have any truth you just argue without any evidence. YHWH always wins but then he knows his own teachings and he knows those who really belong to him. They love their neighbour and they love God.This is in the teachings of the bible.

Truth is I don't need to "disprove anything you say" I don't feel you said anything worthy of disproving, and I actually have already.

I have proven that the Bible doesn't say that Jesus p is God.

And that Jesus p himself denied it.

Anyone can SAY anything about anything.

But if they deny what the Bible really says only to justify the Nicene Creed of men of Rome they have either no truth in them or are misinformed.

No matter how hard you try to deny it everything I said stands true and YOU can't disprove IT.

If it was possible you would, obviously. You tried and probably think you were successful but show me one thing that I said that can be denied in my OP.

 

[moorea944]

I am going to but in here.

If it is true and Jesus is on the right side of God, he is not God himself.

Which is obvious but I felt like saying it anyway. Bored.

I totally agree with you.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

People are still using the word "God" incorrectly. What most people think of as God is really the Father. One part of God. Another part of God is Jesus. Jesus is not the Father but he is God. My father's name is Jones and my name is Jones. I am not my father but we are both Jones.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

People are using the word "GOD" wrong. What most people call God is really the Father. The father is one part of God. Jesus is not the Father but he is alsopart of God. My father's name is Jones. My name is Jones. I am not my father but we are both Jones.

 

[moorea944]

People are using the word "GOD" wrong. What most people call God is really the Father. The father is one part of God. Jesus is not the Father but he is alsopart of God. My father's name is Jones. My name is Jones. I am not my father but we are both Jones.

Are you talking about a trinity type of thing then? Hope not. We are also part of God too. The father is NOT one part of God. The father IS God. The Creator and sustainer of all things. Jesus even calls him father.

 

[SethZaddik]

People are still using the word "God" incorrectly. What most people think of as God is really the Father. One part of God. Another part of God is Jesus. Jesus is not the Father but he is God. My father's name is Jones and my name is Jones. I am not my father but we are both Jones.

Jesus is not "a part'' of God, he is Jesus pbuh.

Just like Tom Jones jr. is not a part of Tom Jones sr. Sr. created Jr., is independent of physically making that not a valid analogy. More like sophistry to be perfectly honest.

What part of Jesus denial of equality with God did you not understand?

Of my own power I can do nothing.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

OK this will be my last post on this subject because both sides are just going to keep saying the other side is wrong. There was a carpenter named Bill. For some reason he changed his name to Tom. That does not mean he is no longer a carpenter. He just changed his name. The Bible says there was something called the "Word". It says the Word was God. Later that Word became flesh and lived on earth. That was Jesus. So basically there was a name change. The Word changed to Jesus. The Word was God. Therefore Jesus was God. You can twist it and turn it and look at it backwards but that is what it says. The Word was God. The Word became Jesus. Jesus was God.

 

[SethZaddik]

OK this will be my last post on this subject because both sides are just going to keep saying the other side is wrong. There was a carpenter named Bill. For some reason he changed his name to Tom. That does not mean he is no longer a carpenter. He just changed his name. The Bible says there was something called the "Word". It says the Word was God. Later that Word became flesh and lived on earth. That was Jesus. So basically there was a name change. The Word changed to Jesus. The Word was God. Therefore Jesus was God. You can twist it and turn it and look at it backwards but that is what it says. The Word was God. The Word became Jesus. Jesus was God.

How edifying.

I say people are wrong if I have provided proof, I have.

The Bible doesn't say Jesus p is God.

Jesus p denied it.

End of debate.

 

[SethZaddik]

OK this will be my last post on this subject because both sides are just going to keep saying the other side is wrong. There was a carpenter named Bill. For some reason he changed his name to Tom. That does not mean he is no longer a carpenter. He just changed his name. The Bible says there was something called the "Word". It says the Word was God. Later that Word became flesh and lived on earth. That was Jesus. So basically there was a name change. The Word changed to Jesus. The Word was God. Therefore Jesus was God. You can twist it and turn it and look at it backwards but that is what it says. The Word was God. The Word became Jesus. Jesus was God.

And this doesn't make sense at all, sorry, not trying to be rude but you are using sophistry, not logic or scripture.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Nothing makes sense to people whose mind is closed.

 

[SethZaddik]

Nothing makes sense to people whose mind is closed.

Closed to what?

Because my mind is wide open and I understand fine, it makes no sense to call someone who said he wasn't, "God."

Apparently your mind is closed to the facts, not others minds.

It makes no sense to believe in the Trinity because it is not Biblical and Christianity uses the Bible as its foundation.

I am sorry if you think realizing something isn't correct means a closed mind but you have the closed mind, you won't listen to reason because you want to believe what you think is true is.

But there is proof it isn't. I'm sorry if it hurts to realize theology is not Biblical in Christianity 100%, contradicts it even.

Would you rather not know though? And remain unaware of reality?

 

[SethZaddik]

Nothing makes sense to people whose mind is closed.

This is just expressing your displeasure at people who are unwilling to lie to themselves about what the Bible says.

If you want to believe something not in the Bible it's your business. But it doesn't mean people who know what it says and that it contradicts theology have a closed mind.

It means you do. Just say I believe it because I want to, even if not in the Bible and you are being honest and reasonable.

But denying reality makes you closed minded like so many religous people. Every religion has those types who can't admit anything if it is contrary to tradition. Even if true and they know it.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I know God didn't die, I was not asking that seriously I was proving a point.
If Jesus died, he died. Maybe he ressurected but still died.
God can't die. He has no beginning to allow Him and end. Wasn't born so can't die.
Jesus was and did die and isn't God.
It's simple.

I agree that Jesus isn't God. My understanding of that I find at Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 3:21 because the resurrected heavenly Jesus still thinks he has a God over him.
Also, according to what I find in Scripture is that Jesus did Not resurrect himself. God Resurrected Jesus according to Acts of the Apostles 3:15, etc.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The Word was God. That's in the Bible. What does it mean? The Word became flesh. What does it mean?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Back to my earlier comment about Jesus (p) sitting at God/Allah's right hand.
It flows logically that if Jesus (p) and God were in fact the same entity, that (among other things) they should be able to share the Throne.
Only if they are not the same do they need separate seats of Power in Heaven, and the one who occupies the Throne if in charge.
Even the most influential to the leader, "right hand" man was subordinate to his boss or King.
And I don't recall Ezekiel who saw the throne and described it ever referring to the Messiah as occupying it either. I'm not sure he mentioned someone to the right but, my point is that whoever sits in the Throne is more powerful and important than who sits at his right.
Is the Chief of Staff or Sec. of State, Vice President, also President?
No.
Does God even have hands?
I am not a fan of anthropomorphism.

Besides the two (2) thrones I see mentioned at Revelation 3:21, I see more thrones mentioned at Matthew 19:28.
Since I read that Jesus is only King of God's Kingdom government for a thousand years before Jesus hands back God's kingdom to God according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26, then the One who is given back His kingdom is: God.
God is always in a Superior position to Jesus. I think heavenly Jesus still waits to see Hebrews 10:13 fulfilled.

 

[SethZaddik]

Besides the two (2) thrones I see mentioned at Revelation 3:21, I see more thrones mentioned at Matthew 19:28.
Since I read that Jesus is only King of God's Kingdom government for a thousand years before Jesus hands back God's kingdom to God according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26, then the One who is given back His kingdom is: God.
God is always in a Superior position to Jesus. I think heavenly Jesus still waits to see Hebrews 10:13 fulfilled.

Well spoken!

 

[SethZaddik]

The Word was God. That's in the Bible. What does it mean? The Word became flesh. What does it mean?

I actually explained and that it was linguistic deception that made the Word God vs divine.

You should have read the OP.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Word was God. That's in the Bible. What does it mean? The Word became flesh. What does it mean?

There is a lot to be said in reply to the ^ above ^. I'll give it a starting reply:

Yes, in English KJV Bibles. In my view the same Greek grammar rule applies at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B.
At John 1 the letter "a" is Not used, however at Acts 28:6 the letter "a" is inserted.
By that same Greek grammar rule applied at both verses then to me, the Word ( Jesus ) was Divine or God-like.
My understanding of 2 Peter 1:3-4,10 is that also the 'divine nature' applies to "us" ( the apostles ).
They could be partakers of ' divine nature ' if they give diligence, etc.
The Logos was divine, but so could those apostles be divine. They also preached God's Word as Jesus did.

In my view, we do Not read 'God is the Word', but that His Word ( Bible ) is His Word.
Such as found at Psalms 119:105 that God's Word ( Scripture ) is a guide for us.
In my view, at Revelation 19:13-15 Jesus' name is called The Word of God because Jesus' taught God's Word.
To me, it is Jesus (Not God) who has the angelic forces as mentioned also at Matthew 26:53.

I can't find a scripture saying God's name is The Word of God.
Jesus, as God's Word or Spokesman, he is God's agent for us as found at 1 Corinthians 8:6.
So, my understanding is that 'Word' is being used as a title showing the carrying out a function for his God.
Jesus, as God's Word, or the Word of God, was God's Spokesman while on Earth.- John 5:19 B.
So, the Word ( pre-human heavenly Jesus) became ' flesh ' when God sent heavenly Jesus to Earth.
God transferred Jesus' heavenly life to Mary to be born as a sinless person, as sinless Adam originally was.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I actually explained and that it was linguistic deception that made the Word God vs divine.
You should have read the OP.

.... or should be as a ' linguistic description ' in my viewpoint then God sent Jesus to 'tell and speak' for his God.
John 12:49-50 ( speak, speak, speak ); John 14:10 ( speak, speak ); John 7:16-17 ( mouth piece )